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#491 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 408 weeks ago
Interesting, I didnt know this "elephant noises" were originally from Bucket. Still, I dont know if the rest of the original Bucket solo was anything special untill I hear it.
About Andy Wallace: so the Antiquiet leaks were essentially the final album? Wonder if the other songs were not yet mixed or considered in the final tracklist. Scraped we just didnt know anything about, and This I Love was supposed to not be in the album at all untill Robin conviced Axl in some moment. And Shacklers, like you said, still had recordings to do in Vegas.
Fair enough, I would like to hear it too.
Yes, that's my impression anyway.
In my view, the entire project was done by 2007. Multiple comments by various people indirectly confirm this.
one explanation might be that the lack of quality was intentional and was only made after stealing the source. maybe in attempt to hide traces of the guy who took them out of the studio.
(yes, not as likely as other explanations, but anything is possible I guess)
Merck was adamant about catching this guy. Not so much about the others. Solve for X.
#492 Re: Guns N' Roses » How many of the 2001 tracks are out there » 408 weeks ago
I was told the same thing.
Apparently there were a handful of people with Jackie according to one guy.
I verified that it was an old-GNR session song in 2007 and someone else told me that post-CD release.
Not that it really matters besides our navel gazing.
#493 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 408 weeks ago
I don't know if Buckethead's solo in Shacklers were that fitting. The song only got this final structure after Axl, Robin and Caram worked on it after Buckethead's departure.
The solo on Shackler's Revenge is a callback to Shackler's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7KuugpC4Hs
Bumblefoot more or less covered it and confirmed as much.
It's the "elephant noises" fans loved to talk about.
Agreed. As far as I know, Andy Wallace was already mixing the album by April 2006. By August 2006, while on the UK tour, Axl said Richard and Robin were working on some stuff (but maybe not for CD? I can't remember).
The records were done and they were "satisfied" with the mixes in October 2006. Then all of the sudden the mix is bad and Bumblefoot and Frank need to do more recording in February 2007.
I disagree. Like I said, their live performances indicated that Frank and Bumblefoot were already recording back in mid/late-2006.
Fair enough. I don't like it on principle but then dumbing it down is an extra no-no.
And yes, Shackler's Revenge was one of the last ones recorded in Vegas.
Any way, who cares. Us apparently.
the intro is OK, but it should never be a part of the actual track, it should always have been a separate track. now it's ridiculous to play the song and wait for 1 minute until it actually starts.
I agree.
I still think The General or something else was the original opener and wonder when the new intro was devised.
#494 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 408 weeks ago
It's strange.
Axl recorded Brian May because Robin flew away yet eventually replaced both of them with Bumblefoot. It's an about-face on sentimentality.
I also think Buckethead's other solos were irreplaceable. His solos on Better, TWAT, and Prostitute are trademark Bucket with extensive use of the killswitch and are insanely beautiful in their own right. Lemme see ya try!
Kids, be so good that Axl Rose can't remove you from his records.
#495 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 408 weeks ago
The 2006-2008 era is a lot of smoke and mirrors.
The 2006 Tour was sold under the auspices of a relatively immediate release of the album which seemed to be a last ditch effort by Axl and Merck to get money to keep the band and the project alive. Merck falling on his sword was an obviously calculated move to push the release back and integrating Frank and Bumblefoot is just another filibuster by Axl. Every press release of that era reads like a cover-our-asses style confessional.
The album was done October 2006 at the latest and Andy Wallace was owed backpay for his mixes. The final recordings I'm aware of were in Vegas over the holiday. Ok, I guess it was officially done now. Then Axl peeps up in February announcing the tentative release date of March 2007 we knew wasn't happening and don't really hear much until March 2008 when Andy Gould and Irving Azoff are now managing Guns.
The record company didn't want anything to do with CD until Azoff made that incredible deal and even then it the was bare minimum. I'm betting said endeavor was partially enabled by the 2007 tour which has no other worldly reason for existing.
The long story distilled to a short point: all the bloat likely came within the last 6 months of the project. Frank and Bumblefoot, Axl's excessive overdubs, and Caram getting promoted to bargain-bin mixer.
That's my overlong way of saying Frank and Bumblefoot had no reason to have been let anywhere near the album. Especially on the title track written by Josh Freese and a song written by Buckethead of all things.
#496 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 408 weeks ago
I was talking about CD the album but yes he understandably improved on tour after the 2006 fuckery. I am a fan of his touring performances.
Bucket blends the notes on his solos for a purer melody. It's why I don't care for Bumble's replacements.
It's the musical equivalent of overacting.
#497 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 408 weeks ago
Bumble played the CD solos like Robin played the AFD solos in 2002
Shrill and off key, killing the melody
I wonder what CD 2001 mix sounds like for obvious reasons but also because Zoot specifically mentioned that the synth is dialed back, not much else there which is why Bumble filled the gap like a drunken dentist
#498 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 408 weeks ago
Catcher was ripped from a DAT tape.
HRS said it best: it turns out they don't put instructions how to manage a band on the back of the laundry detergent box.
It turns out paying and trusting your mixer is a good idea too. Andy Wallace mixes were good. RTB has more experience in this little finger than Caram will get in his lifetime. Maybe trust them with the production.
#499 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 408 weeks ago
I agree, friend. The people with things up their sleeve would be wise to start the fire sale because burning a giant effigy and hoping some ex-engineer catches wind is the only way we'll ever hear the older stuff.
#500 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 408 weeks ago
I hear what you're saying, tho. I would've encouraged Axl to do a few covers on Elton John or whatnot, when suitable opportunities come around. He could've tried out the new production techniques and would've gained new audiences. Some people would've reconsidered his artistic ability. Greatest Hits? Jump in, the label will put it out, anyway. One rocker, like Better. Consolidate your studio success.
That way, the album would have better traction when it would land. You need your pre-season.
Indeed, that would've been a good idea.
The label seemed to have similar thoughts with the Welcome to the Jungle: The Very Best of Guns N' Roses compilation by introducing the New GN'R branding ahead of the release of Chinese Democracy and a new tour.
I think the release in 2008 was a disaster on multiple levels but rebranding (with an awful design) was one of them.
One rocker, like Better. Consolidate your studio success.
I don't disagree with the idea but the perfect time to drop "Better" would've been right after Hammerstein.
The 2006 tour got some good pub but the buzz, New York street cred, and so forth after Hammerstein had to be at it's Apex. Puns.
Axl was doing traditional press and the underground buzz was strong, all he needed to do was enter the digital market of the 21st century.
Instead...
"I heard Better".
"Yeah, cool."
And down the drain we go.
They will come out eventually. The NITL era will quite likely see an Axl/DC album, which should be great. It would solidify Axl's frontman legacy and spur him onwards and upwards. The guy's 55, and suddenly he's fronting two big rock bands.
I've said previously that if we didn't hear about new music by the end of 2017, we wouldn't get it, and I still think that's the case.
The pessimist argument is that history is repeating itself. Axl is again holding all the cards which is historically bad for productivity and it enables him to delay until the stars align only for him to miss several great opportunities staring him in the face. If he has two records in the can, they should've released one in 2017. It would've reestablished them as a creative entity and allowed Axl to low-key feel smug once they got good reviews. "The reaction CD should've gotten". You're aren't going to find more critic friendly times than during your feel-good reunion tour. They're sexy again but in 2+ years they'll just be grandpas experiencing entropy on the nostalgia circuit.
The European dates are exactly what you don't want to see if you're hoping for new music and they could very well finish up 2018 in Asia and Oceania. Even if Axl/DC is a modest Rock or Bust sized tour we're looking at mid-2020 before Guns N' Roses resumes, if it does at all. If Slash and Duff re-record their parts they won't be doing so unless it's under the tutelage of the great Axl-san. And assuming they write and record new music, the odds and timeline are even longer and the expectations even higher.
If I'm arguing against the point, a new album would enable another round of touring, of course, but so would a true farewell tour. We'd be looking at a 58 year old Axl who has just completed two long and grueling tours to potentially release material that is going on 20 years old. It's possible that his voice, health, and drive all hold up but those are long odds. And then what? One final CD in 2020? The second in 2022? Would he be content to mix in original Slash/Duff/Fortus material?
I want to believe but outside of an eventual box set, it looks pretty grim.
