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#5141 Re: The Garden » Obama Blasts McCain on the Economy » 903 weeks ago

Axlin08 wrote:

At least Obama's talking about issues again.



Jesus Christ it's about time, instead of rambling on about Bush III and lipstick on pigs.

Fine James...if you do indeed contend that Obama supported these things in the Senate...things that McCain, Bush...etc...established...

What are you saying?

The end result is the same...the same policy has been persued...Is it better when McCain does it?

#5142 Re: The Garden » Financial disaster? » 904 weeks ago

damn...this isn't good...I feel lucky that I was instilled with a little more common sense. The status symbol game is a whole monster in itself. The American Dream is a status symbol...

All your points are well taken...the dot coms, the policies of greenspan (who was asked to keep the machine running, and that's exactly what he did), the mortgage fire sale.

A bunch of American jobs sent to other countries. It is utterly absurd to think that high up execs did not have the foresite to see this coming. The corporation model gives these people free reign.

No skin off of their asses...while we all try to compensate over the next couple of years, they'll be using the dollar bill to light their cigars.

#5143 Re: The Garden » Palin family abuse of power » 904 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

I guess...in bizarro world...

there is nothing sympathetic to me about this lady...but I guess in your world...no matter what we say it makes Palin look good and the barrage of stories you post on her about Democrats in the negative are furthuring your cause as well...

I guess we can't win...we're fucked if we do and fucked if we don't...

quoting axlin

"They are turning Palin into a SYMPATHETIC CHARACTER. Every time one of these articles turns up, it GAINS McCain/Palin more votes."

#5144 Re: The Garden » Democrats’ latest idea: gas stamps » 904 weeks ago

russtcb wrote:

There was a long time growing up where my family was the same way despite my mother and father working their asses off. Food stamps, powdered milk, the whole nine.

And it was caused by a bad economy. My parents were in a mortgage for a house they could afford one minute and not the next. Then they had the 3 mouths to feed and clothe on top of 2 other siblings moving in and out as they needed to.

We didn't partake in any of those plans because we wanted to, we did it because we had to. After both of my parents were working 2 jobs each.

So there may be plenty of Americans in that situation currently who would applaud this idea.

You said that people don't want to go on welfare to avoid the stigma...and all I was saying was that people who are on it aren't just getting a free ride, they need to be on it...

and to be fair...you only respond to isolated bits and pieces of what people say

#5145 Re: The Garden » Palin family abuse of power » 904 weeks ago

I guess...in bizarro world...

there is nothing sympathetic to me about this lady...but I guess in your world...no matter what we say it makes Palin look good and the barrage of stories you post on her about Democrats in the negative are furthuring your cause as well...

I guess we can't win...we're fucked if we do and fucked if we don't...

#5146 Re: The Garden » Democrats’ latest idea: gas stamps » 904 weeks ago

So...the fact that I grew up on food stamps means I should be ashamed? is that what I get from you Lofton...

People don't go on these programs from the fucking fun of it...they go on them because they have no choice...

our social standing in the community took a back seat to us eating...

#5147 The Garden » Palin family abuse of power » 904 weeks ago

mitchejw
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Alaska lawmakers vote to subpoena Todd Palin
Published: 9/13/08, 4:05 AM EDT
By GENE JOHNSON
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - The abuse of power investigation against Sarah Palin, Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate, took a potentially ominous turn for her party on Friday when state lawmakers voted to subpoena her husband.

Republican efforts to delay the probe until after the Nov. 4 election were thwarted when GOP State Sen. Charlie Huggins, who represents Palin's hometown of Wasilla, sided with Democrats. "Let's just get the facts on the table," said Huggins, who appeared in camouflage pants to vote during a break from moose hunting.

The Senate committee acted at the request of investigator Stephen Branchflower, who is gathering evidence on whether Gov. Palin abused her power by firing Walt Monegan, the state's director of public safety. Critics charge she fired Monegan after he refused to dismiss Mike Wooten, a state trooper who had a messy divorce from the governor's sister. Palin says Monegan was let go because of a budget dispute.

Thomas Van Flein, the Palins' private attorney now representing her as governor, did not immediately return calls for comment. In a broadcast interview, Palin said she welcomed the investigation.

"There's nothing to hide," she said in an interview with ABC's Charles Gibson. "Commissioner Monegan has said, 'The governor never asked me to fire him, the governor's husband never asked me to fire him,' and we never did. I never pressured him to hire or fire anybody."

Branchflower said he wants to interview the governor, but omitted her from the 13-person list of subpoena targets he presented to the lawmakers overseeing his investigation.

He said Todd Palin is "such a central figure. ... I think one should be issued for him."

Palin, cast at last week's Republican National Convention as a supportive husband, oil rig worker and championship snowmachine racer, has emerged in the days since as also a powerful figure in his wife's administration. Despite holding no government position, he attends official meetings and is copied on e-mails concerning state business.

While Todd Palin's role in the dismissal of Monegan is unknown, the request for a subpoena suggests he spurned earlier calls to testify voluntarily. Monegan voluntarily submitted to an interview earlier in the week.

Nor was it immediately clear whether Van Flein was representing Todd Palin as well as the governor in the investigation. Van Flein is working at taxpayer expense to represent the governor in her personal and official capacity.

The subpoenas, which were approved for 12 state employees in addition to Todd Palin, instantly gave a new, national significance to what until recently was a controversy confined to Alaska.

The McCain campaign released a statement from Alaska Lt. Governor Sean Parnell, blaming Democrats.

"I'm disappointed by the complete hijacking of what should be a fair and objective process," the Republican said, calling the investigation a "smear."

The investigation - dubbed "Troopergate" - began before Palin was chosen as Sen. John McCain's running mate. Since then, Palin's supporters have argued that the investigation is politically motivated, and urged lawmakers to turn the matter over to the three-member State Personnel Board, which is appointed by the governor and charged with handling ethics complaints.

In his presentation to lawmakers, Branchflower revealed evidence that the governor's office interceded to try to have Wooten's worker's compensation claim denied.

An employee at a company that handles such claims for the state, Harbor Adjustment Service, told Branchflower that the company's owner said "the governor's office wanted the claim denied."

One of the subpoenas issued Friday was for the company's owner, Murlene Wilkes. Branchflower said he had an informal conversation with Wilkes in August, and believes she was lying when she said she had never been contacted by the governor's office. Wilkes did not immediately return a telephone call.

Monegan says he received repeated e-mails and phone calls from Palin, her husband and her staff expressing dismay over Wooten's continued employment.

One member of Palin's administration was caught on tape discussing personal information about Wooten, raising questions of how he knew those details.

Branchflower also asked for a subpoena for the phone records of one Palin administration official, Frank Bailey. Bailey was recorded calling an Alaska State Trooper lieutenant and discussing confidential information about Wooten, including his job application and worker's compensation claim. In a deposition taken by Palin's attorney, he testified that he never saw Wooten's file, but instead received the information from Todd Palin.

#5148 Re: The Garden » Biden: "Hillary a better pick than me" » 904 weeks ago

i'll be asleep the next four years if this is the type of thing that makes or breaks a campaign...

#5150 Re: The Garden » More McCain /Palin/Karl Rove adss are false » 904 weeks ago

yes...what is a "community organizer"...hardly worthy of anything, right Palin? right Lofton?

She stuck her foot right in her mouth there...that was plain stupid.

And how dare you blame Democrats for this heightening of the stakes...this is exactly how Republicans have wons the last two elections...

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