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#541 Re: Guns N' Roses » Feb. 19th, 2012 - House of Blues, Chicago, IL » 696 weeks ago
Ali wrote:killingvector wrote:I don't know the origin of it. Smells more like management's hand which is probably being ignored by security with more pressing issues.
I don't know how much I buy the management-security alignment. I read something by Powerage5 on MyGNR about how a security guard was telling him to put away the camera, but Fernando was tellin the security guard to let them take pictures. The security guy said no, apparently. This was at the Ritz.
Ali
Rogue security.......just don't buy that, especially since Axl has kicked out audience members holding up Slash shirts in the past.
Read the guy's post. GN'R is supposed to be anti-cameras, right? Axl posed for a picture for this guy, so did Ron. When did Axl actually throw someone out for wearing a Slash shirt? Please don't say RIR 2001 as you can't see the shirt the audience member was wearing from the pro-shot broadcast video.
Ali
#542 Re: Guns N' Roses » Feb. 19th, 2012 - House of Blues, Chicago, IL » 696 weeks ago
killingvector wrote:btw, listening to the HOB show and it is quite brutal through Sorry. Axl is chewing up the stage with some really terrible caterwalling.
I thought Axl was good, not great, not horrible. I'd give him a B or so. He was erratic, per usual.
I agree with your assessment of last night. But I think he's been more consistent overall in this most recent round of touring than not.
Ali
#543 Re: Guns N' Roses » Feb. 19th, 2012 - House of Blues, Chicago, IL » 696 weeks ago
I don't know the origin of it. Smells more like management's hand which is probably being ignored by security with more pressing issues.
I don't know how much I buy the management-security alignment. I read something by Powerage5 on MyGNR about how a security guard was telling him to put away the camera, but Fernando was tellin the security guard to let them take pictures. The security guy said no, apparently. This was at the Ritz.
Ali
#544 Re: Guns N' Roses » Feb. 19th, 2012 - House of Blues, Chicago, IL » 696 weeks ago
It may not be enforced consistently, but it is happening.
Here and there, apparently. I just don't get how if it's a band policy, what is gained by enforcing it inconsistently.
Ali
#545 Re: Guns N' Roses » Feb. 19th, 2012 - House of Blues, Chicago, IL » 697 weeks ago
Ali wrote:russtcb wrote:Yep. I would have never believed it if I hadn't heard it with my own ears.
Russ, I believe you when you say you heard it, but I just don't buy that it's a band policy. It has never been enforced at any show I've been to and there are plenty of other people who've said they've seen people with top hats walk into shows dressed like that. I just don't buy that any band policy would occur so inconsistently.
Ali
It is being enforced. A Bar and HTGTH member was asked about the tee shirt under his jacket at Terminal 5.
No one seems to know who is directing the enforcement.
No, it is not being enforced consistently. I saw a guy with a tophat and curly wig walk right through security in LA. A poster at MyGNR confirmed what you said, but also said nothing of the sort occurred at the Ritz.
Ali
#546 Re: Guns N' Roses » Feb. 19th, 2012 - House of Blues, Chicago, IL » 697 weeks ago
Dude everything about GNR is inconsistent...always...it's the only consistency..roses for love...guns for hatred...the whole band is founded on the spectrum of emotions.
Saw 2 shows back to back here once. First night Axl comes out at 10pm pretty much on time. Next night comes out at 11.45. Wouldn't surprise me if the band played TWAT next gig, and also wouldn't surprise me if they never ever ever played it again.
Some nights you can hit Axl with a bottle and he'd ignore it, the next night he'll end the show.
Consistency isn't the strong point.
My guess is someone in the organisation feels (rightly or wrongly) that excessive Slash paraphernalia at gigs will upset Axl and so they act accordingly to avoid the risk of it happening.
So they enforce that policy unevenly and risk upsetting Axl at some shows, instead of all shows? Yeah, Axl's erratic, but if the policy is being enforced for the reasons you say, I see no advantage to enforcing so inconsistently.
Ali
#547 Re: Guns N' Roses » Feb. 19th, 2012 - House of Blues, Chicago, IL » 697 weeks ago
Aussie wrote:Russ did the no Slash shirts thing rear it's head again at HOB?
Yep. I would have never believed it if I hadn't heard it with my own ears.
Russ, I believe you when you say you heard it, but I just don't buy that it's a band policy. It has never been enforced at any show I've been to and there are plenty of other people who've said they've seen people with top hats walk into shows dressed like that. I just don't buy that any band policy would occur so inconsistently.
Ali
#548 Re: Guns N' Roses » gunsnroses.com (Merch store now open, SALE!) » 697 weeks ago
hahahahaha, Jarmo's place is such a joke. Everyone falling in line that this package is worth it:
"And in my view, you can't put a price on supporting the band that you love in your heart and soul.
-one.in.a.million."Shoot me, right now.
No, not everyone. That isn't true. That quote you posted reminds me of the sentiment some people I know have for various sports teams/franchises. The term "die-hard" comes to mind. You may not understand or agree with it, but the guy is honest about his passion for GN'R.
Ali
#549 Re: Guns N' Roses » All Original GUNS Members Will Be At ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME » 697 weeks ago
I think the flip side of the coin was that for as hungry as Axl was or seemed to be to find a way back out there, he showed major insecurites by A) trying to reboot the Guns N' Roses thing with a different lineup, but same brand, and B) continuing to just never ever look comfortable on stage without the old guys.
I actually think, and this is NOT a comment on the great abilities of all of the new band members over the years, but Axl never ever started looking comfortable on stage with the new band until DJ was brought on board in 2009, and even now 2011-12 Axl looks better and better with them. More comfortable.
I know Saikin felt Axl was distant with Duff in Seattle, but others felt the same about London 2010. But others said they were alot more interactive at Vancouver 2011.
Look at how Axl interacted with Izzy in 2006.
I know alot of people cry "reunionite" when people say it, and it's not exactly something you can nail down, but Axl acts differently with Izzy & Duff than he does with the rest from 2001-2007. He just does. There's a different bond with Izzy & Duff, that is non-existant with the rest.
DJ Ashba & Tommy Stinson (in the present) are the ONLY two new band members that i've seen Axl seem to have that same boyish "friend" bond on stage with. All smiles, all laughs, all fun, VERY comfortable.
Even Axl with Ron & Richard alot of the time seems forced. Put on. Axl has never had any sort of interaction with the backing band, including Dizzy which has been in the band for now over 20 years. Axl has NO interaction with him live.
And why do I say this?
Because if Axl Rose was never ever truely comfortable or safe with what he was doing (despite the spirit to WANT to carry on), it would explain why Axl hid in the AFD back catalog, continued to be hung up on the old band, and constantly never felt safe enough to truely push any version of the new band.
The irony is the 2009-12 GN'R is basically a rebooted version of the AFD/Lies/late 80s-version of GN'R and yet lookeythere... Axl seems happier than ever.
Why?
There's a method to his madness in this, and it ain't JUST because DJ & Tommy are really groovy guys.
Think about it. Tommy basically IS Duff McKagan (self-admitted). And all of the sudden Axl has a mock-Slash up there on replacement.
NOW he starts feeling safe.
*ding ding ding* we have a winner
Axl never ever did get past it. Now all of the sudden he's at the front of the line racing to the Hall.
Intercourse wrote:It would be grteat if the band did change things up a bit more.
Back in the day, Axl used to call the tunes as he felt them which meant anything could appear..now it just seems to be a case of getting from A to B the same way each night.
Still, if its a good gig and people have a blast, good for him. However, like many here I won't be going to another GNR gig until the Boards light up with new tunes. I've had my fill of Jungle etc.. as aGNR anorack I need the deeper cuts to keep coming.
Still, that puts me in a small minority..along with most of you!!
I will never ever get tired of Welcome To The Jungle. No matter how many times I hear it or see it or sing it... still holds the same power all these years later just like a beautiful wife.
I think this is a stretch. I don't agree at all that the current lineup is a reboot of the late 80's version of GN'R. That version did not have anyone like BBF or a Chris Pitman or Dizzy Reed. Not even close. I don't see where Tommy admitted he is Duff McKagan. Yes, they have similarities in backgrounds in punk, but listen to Tommy's solo records and then listen to Loaded. Not exactly the same thing.
Tommy has stated that the camaraderie is better now than ever within the whole band. Maybe that's the reason why Axl looks more comfortable now, as opposed to some resemblance in styles and roles with the new guys as compared to the old guys. Maybe they just legitimately all get along better now with DJ in the band.
Ali
#550 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Ritz (Webster Hall), NYC 02/15/12 » 697 weeks ago
Nic e to see the return of Used to Love Her. You're Crazy is a welcome addition, but overall still not an exciting setlist.
I was expecting one of these type comments somewhere in a thread on last night's show.
Ali
