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#541 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 102 weeks ago

Yeah thats right. It's thanks to you that we have much of the info we do.

"As far as the songs go: 'Oklahoma' was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio. Axl  wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died, if I'm not mistaken).(Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05).

It was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. ''I was sitting in litigation with my ex-wife,  and it was the day after the bombing,'' .'' (Axl Rolling Stone. 2000)  That was two days after Duff and Izzy recorded Toothpuller, Machine gun, down by the sea in April 95

“I was a staff engineer at Rumbo Recorders and was about to quit or lose my mind . I thought it was time to get what clients I had (practically none) and get out. The manager came to me and said Guns was coming in to do their next record and they had no producer or engineer and that needed someone with experience so I said "yes" and she also said they would be writing for two months and then recording for two months and they would be it (haha) seven months later. I bailed on good terms with Axl and the band but not with the studio”.(David Dominguez Sp1at)

“Most of the songs had working titles but I know that "Oklahoma" and "Ides of March" were songs that were almost complete.(David Dominguez Sp1at)

“Some were three seconds long, some were three minutes long. Sometimes it was just a guitar lick. ‘Oh, that’s cool.’ They were transferred to CD. Everything had an ID and a number, then the CDs were made for each member of the band. They could go, OK, on set four, CD three, idea 15, let’s do something with that.’ Then everybody would take their CD home, get the part and write something to that. It was intense.(David Dominguez Producer 2010.12.DD - What's On Dubai)

I believe the ID system is on the locker leak discs too. The Rebel is J587 278 for example, makes me wonder how many of those discs there were in total

#542 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 102 weeks ago

James wrote:

One more thing on that subject (CITR-Checkmate clips)....


They realized that they were allowing too many people access to these clips to shop around for more tracks. Instead of acquiring more tracks under the table with these clips....they started getting leaked instead.

After that fiasco...they stopped using other people for this and kept it in their inner circle.

Makes sense, I'd love to know names of other tracks that are out there in private hands.
Specifically the early stuff from 1998, I know that Oklahoma is out there but i wonder if Ides Of March is. Dave Dominguez told Sp1at that those two were the most finished and given he started there in January and left seven months later there must have been pretty complete versions between January and July of 1998.

According to the NY Times In 1998 studio technicians were burning as many as five CD's per week with various mixes of different songs to play Axl. I find it hard to believe none of them ever ripped any of that stuff.

We have no idea how much of that stuff is really out there sat on someones shelf or in someones locker.

#543 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 102 weeks ago

James wrote:
Shacklermyrye wrote:
Axl S wrote:

Then I was lied to! When did this emerge?

Ive had it for awhile I forget it's origin, also to be fair I do not know that it's real but it looks it to me. I can certainly believe People had Atlas and prostitute back then though.
I believe that tape is where the first version of Catcher came from

I mentioned this before...

This is why the Catcher leak wasn't supposed to happen. Its leak would highlight the fact there's more unheard songs. The 9 second clip that got out was only to be used as trade bait.

The community went crazy over it, wouldn't stop the insanity, and a few weeks later they went ahead and leaked it begrudgingly.


It is NOT a coincidence that the next trade bait clip that surfaced was Hard School/Checkmate....and need I remind everyone how quick that shit got shut down?

In hindsight I think if that had leaked in full, it might have caused a chain reaction...which is why it didn't happen.

DJ razz if i remember right. All his blogs about it are still online on the wayback machine somewhere. I think I re-read them last year.

#544 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 102 weeks ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20140820091 … 12_98.html
Looks like Harschool does go back to Slash days if this is to be believed...

    March 12th 1998
New GN'R song out on March 20th ?

Yesterday a friend told me that a new song by GN'R (probably not a cover) will be released on the 20th of March. This previously unreleased song will appear on the soundtrack for the Jackie Chan movie "A Nice Guy". The song was recorded before Slash left the band.

True or false? We'll have the answer soon...

source: "Tver" (a GN'R fan)

#545 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 102 weeks ago

James wrote:
ClaudeF wrote:
FlashFlood wrote:

If I’m Axl, I’d want the original The General out there before the Slash/Duff version. Have your cake and eat it.

Damned right. I want the original, too.

As Detective Columbo, my mom’s favorite TV character, used to say, just one more thing:

“It is widely assumed that I’m likely to have access to more leaks. I don’t. I’m not a hoarder, and I don’t care to have anything I can’t share. I know that there are about ten more Guns N’ Roses songs floating around among outsiders, but I forget the working titles that I had been given, and I forget the name of one guy I met that had them. I’m not just saying that; I really do forget these details. I didn’t care, because they did me no good. What I’ve heard left me somewhat impressed, as I recall, but I’ve heard no new songs more than once, and none all the way through. I can barely remember how they went. I do not have a photographic memory.”

The second disc of Chinese Democracy is circulating.

How do we hear it? What will it take?

These are direct questions to those who have already sat on the tracks for a decade.

I'm pretty damn sure there was a second skwerl disc...sounds like this was quickly retconned.

Either way...he mentions enough songs for the second disc.

Yeah... CD II has been circulating for eons... almost as long as CD.


Jarmo from the GNR fansite Here Today… Gone To Hell came across news of the leak. He immediately notified Fernando Santos, who checked it out, and then did a Whois lookup on Antiquiet.com to get my phone number so he could talk tough to me.”

It's funny and pathetic when one of the people who had already heard everything goes and tattletales because he doesn't believe the lowly plebs are worthy of listening to what he was already listening to.

Hell...he's still doing it! He criticizes anyone getting impatient for new material.


Yeah there's a shit ton of discs...many obviously overlapping.

Don't forget the "Classic Rock disc". They got to hear a disc containing Atlas Shrugged and Silkworms.


Some of what was on there may have been trade worthy - who knows maybe it did happen and those folk are keeping quiet and holding on to those tracks too.

Oh there was definitely more to that leak.

Hell...the Chairman even admitted this with the "more rasp" line.

There was also other trades going on at the same time.

I think the Classic rock situation was same as rolling stone, they were played songs in person but not allowed to keep the discs

I

#546 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 102 weeks ago

Axl S wrote:
Shacklermyrye wrote:

https://we.tl/t-aJn0ZOt1mI i believe this is the cover for that tape. no atlas or prostitute

Then I was lied to! When did this emerge?

Ive had it for awhile I forget it's origin, also to be fair I do not know that it's real but it looks it to me. I can certainly believe People had Atlas and prostitute back then though.
I believe that tape is where the first version of Catcher came from

#547 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 102 weeks ago

I like atlas more than most id love to hear an early version

#548 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 102 weeks ago

Axl S wrote:

Keep in mind, the source of demos that contained "99 IRS, TWAT & Catcher" that leaked in 06 also apparently contained Prostitute, Atlas & Hard School. We eventually heard close enough equivalents to those in the 2019 leaks but strictly those versions never leaked. There are people who have had that version of Atlas since the 00s and they have posted among us for years. Others will have different versions of these tracks from various points in time.

Others may genuinely have a close to final mix that was rumored to exist for a 2010 release. Others may have equivalents of that which were earlier and some may have later.

I've been told by some that they have the album art and back cover of CD2 with the tracklist. No idea if that's true but apparently they got hold of it when MSL got his trove of documents.

Hardschool but not Atlas it was not on that cassette. a scan of the cover is out there floating around the dark corners of the internet

GN'R 1999 DEMO'S
1.CITR
2.IRS
3.TWAT
4.HARDSCHOOL

I believe there are versions of Atlas but they are not from the same tape

#549 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 103 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

A leaked version labeled 2013 on the file (but no idea if it was from then) this had different guitars particularly in the second half of the song. The "it it opens your eyes" had more of a chuggy almost dancy riff a bit like the rhythms in shacklers. It was less 'busy' in some sections guitarwise but then there were also some very fast shred runs towards the end that sounded like bucket/bumble.


3. A version around 2018 that I suspect may have been a fan composit of the previous two versions. It generally sounded like the end of days version but with some of the shred guitars added over. It was a bit messy in places with guitars conflicting.

I think all of these had the same vocal track though. Although the 2013 one is not mixed/mastered for release properly compared to End of Days so bits like "Gotcha" sound a bit different cos they are not as loud.

The version your talking about had a clip leak in 2013 on a clip that had snippits of some remixes on it as well, But the full version with Ron in one channel and a mono version in the other leaked on 2018 i think. He also did guitar takes for Going Down, Silkworms and later on Atlas

They do have the same vocal take. although the one on the 2018 leak sounds like it hasn't been EQ'd or anything.

Sounds like the version you may have heard was a fan mix version using EOD version and rons guitar take.

#550 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 103 weeks ago

James wrote:

No.

I don't think I ever bothered listening to it. Hell...I had went eons before finally listening to that version of Silkworms with Ron.

The only version of OMG I've heard is the one on the soundtrack.

That 2010s era of leaks where it's the same songs over and over to the point some of them were fan edits turned me off to the whole thing.

After reading your post I would like to hear it.

I don't remember another Shacklers Revenge leaking...other than that sketch on the Village discs.

I can send you them when i get chance, but the Shacklers remix is truly awful lol. But OMG remix with new vocals interests me, especially the wilder guitar intro, Bucket never played on OMG to my knowledge & I wonder if it's him.

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