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#561 Guns N' Roses » Why Azoff/Gould will save GNR » 893 weeks ago

sic.
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I'd now like to tell you why I think the new management will greatly improve things in the GNR world. To make things funnier, I'll use some gonzo journalism, casting the GNR camp as players.

Disclaimer: The events portrayed here are true, but in order to protect the privacy of the individuals they are represented by their counterparts in the GNR world. The point is to demonstrate how bad management can really affect the band and hamper their best efforts to succeed. In case of real GNR, this goes beyond Merck. Doug Goldstein, Beta Lebeis and their cohorts, please stand up.

CAST OF CHARACTERS

The Frontman (played by W. Axl Rose). A singer who alienated his original band at the peak of their powers, resorting to put out a solo album before reverting back to the old name to make a new record deal after he fell out with the original label due to the procrastinated solo album. Has since fallen out with his later label (with a deal made on the strength of a soon disbanded reunion). Has most recently received a token release by a licensing label for his cocky promise of 'return to form'.


The Manager (played by Merck Mercuriadis). The shylock who runs a management/record company, here named as Sanctuary Group. Only interested in profiting from his biggest client and to get a name for himself and his other acts. To be avoided at all costs.


The Lead Guitarist (played by Buckethead). The new guy, a former touring member of a well-known rock group, here named as Praxis. Much-hated in the fanforums for the unfavorable style he brings to the old songs. His looks are also called to question at times.


The Video Man (played by Jonathan Rach). The guy who gets the job to record a performance of the Frontman's band, here name as Guns N' Roses at the Hammerstein Ballroom. The video man you can call Jonathan R, in the honor of Norman Jewison, William Harrison and James Caan.


Jonathan R got into shooting Axl's show at the Hammerstein by fault. He'd been around for the shooting of Axl's public reappearance at the House of Blues in 2001, and had felt great pride for undertaking the job, as he'd been doing it with Andrew Morahan, a renowned director and mentor, who'd shot the lauded videos November Rain, Estranged and Don't Cry during Axl's heyday. Jonathan R felt pride for his work and was pleased to hear a DVD for the House of Blues show was announced. Soon after, everything winded down. Nothing happened. Not a peep from the official camp. Before the Hammersmith shows, Morahan had publicly walked away from the House of Blues DVD, in what appeared to be an amicable departure.

Jonathan R wasn't exactly sure where he stood. Morahan merely said to him, "Don't give into Axl too easy!" Wonder what he meant. Axl turned out to be a swell guy, full of enthusiasm for the Hammersmith shows and really eager to get the best possible results. His manager, Merck, was sidelined for a bit and Jonathan didn't really talk to Merck that much. Didn't matter. Things were going so well with Axl. What could go wrong?

The Hammerstein shows turned out to be a tricky business to set up. GNR was in monetary trouble, so Jonathan and his crew had to operate on a shoe-string budget. Axl couldn't really make up his mind on what he wanted, how he wanted it, and how soon he'd sanction it. At the 11th hour, Jonathan patched things between Axl's camp and the Hammerstein staff, as he'd blown their gaskets by letting Merck run loose. Merck wanted everything for free. The venue couldn't pick up the tabs of the sound recording for the band. Their line was clear but Merck kept stalling the information from Axl, hoping to keel over the shoot and pocket the rest of the money which was reserved for the expenses of Jonathan R.

Jonathan, unbeknownst of this, cut a plea deal. He'd wait for his own tab to be picked up by GNR a little while longer, so that they might get the sound recorded properly and the shoot might go on. Thus was done. Merck was left speechless, with his astonishment colored by the tiniest hint of touch that still left in the lizard's heart.

So Jonathan did what he came to do. He shot the show and started working on it with next to nothing. Axl, however, got a bit antsy again. The fans screamed their criticisms towards Buckethead, and Axl, frightened by the reaction, let Bucket go in favor of a more traditional axe-handler, Bumblefoot. BBF turned out to be a swell guy and some people embraced him for being so conventional aside the outlandish Bucket. Others remarked that the bands sound actually took a turn for the worse, as Bucket's renditions were superior to those of BBF.

That left Jonathan in a tricky spot. Not only was lineup already obsolute (which also the case of House of Blues when Paul Huge left for Richard Fortus), but Merck held up the payment, attempting piss Jonathan off royally that finally, upon payment, he'd turn in the tapes in disgust and Merck might embezzle the postproduction budget (which was also the case of House of Blues). But Jonathan decided to fight it.

He felt compassionate to the fans. After all, he'd just witnessed a similar case of his own, when a band he wanted to see cancelled their tour just before coming to his hometown. The band blamed bad management and with enough money, would do replacement appearances, but on a lesser scale to cover the expenses of their manager's ego. Therefore, Jonathan felt the long-starving fans would be in a better situation if they'd be given something to endure the wait. While GNR might eventually get better management than Merck, the fans would be left with a dry season regardless, as the band would have to lay low for a while in order to heal properly.

Moreover, Jonathan wanted to prove his worth for his mentor, Morahan. It became a matter of honor for him to press on and begin converting Axl. His first act was to publish a fully-edited, proshot live video of Better, streaming in the advanced members section of GNRevolution. Only available to those who care. Axl was an advanced member there too, as while he appeared sullen to the fans, he always wanted to know what they'd think.

Today, Better keeps receiving plays at the advanced members section of GNRevolution. Axl is reviewing the comments and reconsidering the release of the Hammerstein shows. He keeps touring with his live band, with the setlist comprising greatly of AFD material, with some new songs thrown into the fold. No album release is at sight.

Jonathan R hopes to see the day when Andy Gould and Irving Azoff sign up with Axl.

#562 Re: The Garden » Ha, I just got banned from HTGH » 893 weeks ago

When the shift happens (and if the release finally gets underway, it will), more 'hard-core' places like Evolution will be significantly less affected. People here know the game GNR is always playing. While we might as well mass-imigrate to an official site to form a higher branch in the 'years online' age group amongst the youngsters, and would hold a sect of wisened few, I bet we'd keep on coming back to the old house, to enjoy the privacy and intimate nature of it.

However, places like MyGNR and HTGTH, the ones attracting the random browser to stay due to lack of initiative, will get served. They'll lose a good bunch of members due those empty-heads heading for Uncle Axl. In a way, they might end up distilling somewhat to what they once were. The downside of HTGTH is that it has eliminated a good amount of the loyal members of yesteryear due to the means J has chosen to use. That's unfortunately why the forum may never get back to what it was, even though it would go towards that direction through... old-fashion evolution.

Old-skool webheads, we are.

#563 Re: The Garden » Ha, I just got banned from HTGH » 893 weeks ago

Indeed. The line of action J's adopted makes him appear more of a schoolyard bully than a positive fan. Who am I to tell him how to run his board, but I think it would look better if he'd appear as a paternal, easygoing fellow, who'd step into every argument to present the facts as we know them and keep the basis of any speculation on top of them. Getting into arguments on the VR section is as transparent as it gets and doesn't help any - what happens if there's a reunion? Talk about having a tough time cashing your chips. It would certainly help the band's image in the web if HTGTH would be known for what it once was - a friendly place for quality conversations. Sometimes these discussions get a little heated and don't exactly present the people in/around the band in the most favorable light. But hell, they're human and make mistakes. Shit happens, and I do hope the GNR camp can take criticism when it's presented in an adult and constructive way - otherwise we're in for a very long wait as the Ax-kissers remain shuffling in the doorway, waiting for that red carpet to be rolled in front of them.

But when the great wheel turns again, J's going to have that attitude come back to haunt him. There's still enough karma in the world for that.

#564 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pop Quiz: What band? » 893 weeks ago

YouTube provides a good way to try it on for size.

First and Last and Always:

   1. "Black Planet" (music: Hussey) - 4:27
   2. "Walk Away" (music: Hussey) - 3:20
   3. "No Time to Cry" (music: Adams, Marx, Hussey) - 3:54
   4. "A Rock and a Hard Place" (music: Hussey) - 3:36
   5. "Marian (version)" (music: Hussey) - 5:37
   6. "First and Last and Always" (music: Marx) - 3:58
   7. "Possession" (music: Hussey, Eldritch, Adams) - 4:36
   8. "Nine While Nine" (music: Marx) - 4:07
   9. "Amphetamine Logic" (music: Marx) - 4:46
  10. "Some Kind of Stranger" (music: Marx) - 7:16

#565 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pop Quiz: What band? » 893 weeks ago

On Floodland, I half-like a couple of songs. Anyone interested should get started with the Reptile House EP and the first studio album, First and Last and Always.

Herr Doktor was unavailable at the time, which is why they resorted to Frank. Did you know that Avalanche does play drums in the demo of Crash Diet?

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Blessed be.

#566 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pop Quiz: What band? » 893 weeks ago

Von, I knew you'd know. That's why it's good you came in the late in the game. wink

And some people think the November Rain video is excessive...


Bono, The Cure got the genre, the country and the decade right. All they lacked was that Robert Smith has been keeping busy and is actually quite eager to cooperate on the next album release with Geffen, allowing them a single disc release with their mix, while releasing his own double-disc with his own mix on a regular price. Imagine Axl being so lenient!

Loco, FOTN's another good choice, although Carl McCoy has (again) released albums since the early 90's. I kinda like his solo album while recording as 'The Nefilim'... Best produced piece in his career, IMHO.

#567 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pop Quiz: What band? » 893 weeks ago

Locomotive98 got it!

The Sisters of Mercy and Andrew Eldritch!

#568 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pop Quiz: What band? » 893 weeks ago

Don't get stuck in Manchester! You're so damn close to the right city.

And yes, like Ian Brown, Morrissey tours under his own name.


As for clues... The correct umbrella term (which also covers The Cure) is Darkwave.

#569 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pop Quiz: What band? » 893 weeks ago

Not Stone Roses, although I can see why you'd suggest it.

#570 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pop Quiz: What band? » 893 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

^^ Hey everything else was pretty close with NIN.

Granted, there are similarities to Trent there, but he always recorded solo under the NIN banner. There may have been guest musicians on the records, but they've never been considered an integral part of 'Studio NIN' the way Trent and producers Atticus Ross and Alan Moulder have been. I'll also give you the breakup he had with TVT Records and if you really want to push it, you might get away with calling Richard Patrick's Filter a new band of an ex-member. However, Patrick joined NIN Live post-Pretty Hate Machine.

No hard feelings, right?


No right answer as of yet, although inspired choices (Boy George? 18).

It's a UK band, btw. The Cure-era, basically.

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