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#571 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 103 weeks ago
In this clip Brain talks about seven being inspired by Ben hur. In the locker leaks i don't believe there are any Ben Hurr samples to be fair. But there is a jam called Circus Maximus which is where the chariot scene from Ben Hurr was shot. Again it's a assumption but seems logical to me that Circus Maximus = Se7en. Also remember Circus Maximus is labeled as (Version 1) and dates from 11/07/00 which predates the work that Marco beltrami did on it.
#572 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 103 weeks ago
What instrumental are you guys referring to?!?
We were talking about a few, here is the Jam that was brought up
#573 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 103 weeks ago
Happy Independence Day.
Good find, you had it backed up somewhere? That's not the one i thought was Thyme but I do remember this. Sounds like an early idea for a Brain type thing so who knows. Did anyone ever admit to faking it?
#574 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 104 weeks ago
Shacklermyrye wrote:Dani_1455 wrote:I think that the word ''soul'' is too generic to think that the lyrics are from Soul Monster but It is an option for sure.
Also In This Grave is something that I have not listened in all this years and I think It has not been discussed anywhere, was this poster from mygnrforum or from other forum that has been deleted??
the thread I posted before links to a thread about in on Mygnr, but i will try to look for the original threads next week.
With regards to the soul lyric...Its true that many band have song names that are not mentioned in the lyrics but if you look at AFD for example I dont think there is a single song where the name of the track is not mentioned in the lyrics of its song at some point. With CD off the top of my head Shacklers doesn't and maybe one other song but in general words in the lyrics appear in the name of the song somewhere.
Now obviously it says "soul" and not "soulmonster" but i dont think its a huge stretch especially if the song in question wasn't called soulmonster yet but Evil presly and the monster of soul
Probably is from Soul Monster as you said, in the link there are some interesting quoteds and I found just like a jam that GNR did in 2006 of 3 minutes that people speculate about It was If The World but listening It to now It is not for sure and seems like a piano song we don't know yet!
lol By freak chance i was doing some work on remastering the piano moving jam a few weeks ago. great floyd vibe to it. Some people believe its Seven but it's not. The tempo is completely wrong
#575 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 104 weeks ago
the response they get is usually "give us a source or it's bullshit"
years later we now know that most of the unreleased stuff didn't have vocals at all anyway. If someone had posted a clip of Devious Bastard in 2004, nobody would have believed them for a second that it was real.
This is a great observation.
It's a good example of how much damage fake insiders/leakers really do to a community. Hell...they did so much damage that the Razz leak of the Checkmate clip(Hard School) caused half the fan base to question its authenticity.
Instrumentals didn't have a chance.
Traders back then wouldn't even give you the time of day if what you had didn't have lyrics. Who knows what they turned there back on because of that rule
#576 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 104 weeks ago
ClaudeF wrote:The brief clip from 2006/2007 … was that an instrumental with a soundbyte of the Hindenburg reporter saying, “Oh, the humanity”?
Holy shit...I remember this.
Not from 2006-07 but from the early 2000s on Limewire/Kazaa.
It was about 30-60 seconds.
There we go the fuckin frostwire days, i think you could be right actually. it was an early one
Remember we didn't know that brain was throwing old news reports or movie clip samples over things at the time. The first clue of that was Better Gone from the USB stick then the ITW remix, later on Devious Bastard, Quicksong ect. we didnt know that untill years later.
And that hindenburg clip fits in completely with the sort of thing he would use. Old and probably copyright free
#577 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 104 weeks ago
the response they get is usually "give us a source or it's bullshit"
I definitely remember that.
In defense of those saying it, this was the era of the fake insiders. They constantly popped up. Even banning them didn't slow down their spread.
Yeah...legit people probably became collateral damage during those years.
The fan base became so jaded as the years passed by that you were skeptical of everything.
years later we now know that most of the unreleased stuff didn't have vocals at all anyway. If someone had posted a clip of Devious Bastard in 2004, nobody would have believed them for a second that it was real.
This is a great observation.
It's a good example of how much damage fake insiders/leakers really do to a community. Hell...they did so much damage that the Razz leak of the Checkmate clip(Hard School) caused half the fan base to question its authenticity.
Instrumentals didn't have a chance.
Because I think there is real stuff in some of that people just didn't believe
I agree.
The fake album covers, liner notes, and track lists should've been archived as well... specifically the ones from 2002-05...when Axl had mentioned all that stuff was ready.
Is demolition the same guy who first posted about Blood In the Water on CD.com?
Thanks.. not too sure about the BITW guy i'll look into it though
#578 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 104 weeks ago
The brief clip from 2006/2007 … was that an instrumental with a soundbyte of the Hindenburg reporter saying, “Oh, the humanity”?
I'm not too sure although that does ring a bell to be fair.
See this is what i mean though, we should have listed this stuff. I do remember that the clip i thought years later may have been Thyme was awful quality & sounded like it was ripped from a casette tape.
There was another that had sort of tribal sounding drums and an atmospheric sound, was that the Oh the humanity one? The audio sample you mention was taken from the crashing of the Hindenburg, it's the exact sort of sample Brain would have put on something in retrospect.
#579 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 104 weeks ago
Shacklermyrye wrote:who can tell me if they remember this...?
"and they say the stars don't look the same, I may have changed yet I have my soul to claim"
I know it was allegedly written by the same guy who posted the lyrics to Sorry before it was released although that's not entirely proven I don't think.
I havn't thought about this for years but If they are real lyrics, surely the word soul would suggest Soulmonster? If I remember right the same person was the first to mention In This Grave
I think that the word ''soul'' is too generic to think that the lyrics are from Soul Monster but It is an option for sure.
Also In This Grave is something that I have not listened in all this years and I think It has not been discussed anywhere, was this poster from mygnrforum or from other forum that has been deleted??
the thread I posted before links to a thread about in on Mygnr, but i will try to look for the original threads next week.
With regards to the soul lyric...Its true that many band have song names that are not mentioned in the lyrics but if you look at AFD for example I dont think there is a single song where the name of the track is not mentioned in the lyrics of its song at some point. With CD off the top of my head Shacklers doesn't and maybe one other song but in general words in the lyrics appear in the name of the song somewhere.
Now obviously it says "soul" and not "soulmonster" but i dont think its a huge stretch especially if the song in question wasn't called soulmonster yet but Evil presly and the monster of soul
#580 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 104 weeks ago
Shacklermyrye wrote:who can tell me if they remember this...?
"and they say the stars don't look the same, I may have changed yet I have my soul to claim"
I know it was allegedly written by the same guy who posted the lyrics to Sorry before it was released although that's not entirely proven I don't think.
I havn't thought about this for years but If they are real lyrics, surely the word soul would suggest Soulmonster? If I remember right the same person was the first to mention In This Grave
I don't remember that unfortunately. Hell...I don't even remember the name of the guy who posted the Sorry lyrics.
On that subject...
I've always wondered how many of the supposed fake lyrics posted eons ago were actually hoarders rubbing fans noses in it.
Unfortunately...many of the forums back then don't even exist anymore so there's no way to find out.
You'd have to dig through literal mountains of mygnr and HTGTH shit trying to find something from 15-20 years ago...an impossible mission. The search terms would create generic results.
What would make it pointless is the fact most(all?) of that stuff was likely deleted eons ago.
It's too bad people didn't save a lot of that stuff...but no one knew at the time that the fan base was going to experience two 15 year waits. There was no sense of urgency in archiving lyrics, track lists, etc.
Oh I can find the posts that's not a problem, it's the people who make them. People with actual info occasionally have posted things over the years like Demolition and the response they get is usually "give us a source or it's bullshit" they wind up throwing there hands in the air and going "well fuck it then" because the fanbase doesn't believe anything at all lol
I don't doubt that your right about people posting stuff to rub fans noses in it. Ill give you an example... around 2005/6 someone posted a clip around 30 second long of an instrumental thing i believe on newgnrforum (may have been CDforum), which everyone called bullshit on.(including me)
I'm pretty sure in retrospect it was a clip of Thyme, i bet nobody saved it though because the school of thought at the time was that if a clip didn't have Axl vocals then it was someone just trying to fake something.
Of course years later we now know that most of the unreleased stuff didn't have vocals at all anyway. If someone had posted a clip of Devious Bastard in 2004, nobody would have believed them for a second that it was real.
A lot of work has been done over the years to catalog leaks, and it's all helpful and interesting to read but someone should have cataloged the "Fake" clips... Because I think there is real stuff in some of that people just didn't believe
oh and demolition was the poster on HTGTH who posted the lyrics to Sorry before it was released he also mentioned Axl was working with Caram and was bassically told to fuck off (and so he did and his knowledge with it)
