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#51 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesnt consider CD a guns n roses album anymore » 201 weeks ago
Slash has always been a great foil to Axl. His solo work has never appealed to me but Absurd and Hard School show that he still has the ability elevate Axl's material. The single is what made me excited for the prospect of a new album. If they were just writing new material I would be lukewarm. What are they going to write about? Where to hide all the cash?
This sounds great compared to the original. Dave called it a simplification but the tone is better here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c6x5pNBh1Y
I haven't heard Slash solo like that since 1993.
That version and the full rehearsal that came out are really dumbed down compared to the Finck / BH version.
And silkworms HOB is way better than Absurd.
slash always butches all the CD songs he plays live. Not sure how you think slash elevates it.
Just cant wait to hear him totally ruin songs like Zodiac and Quick Song
#52 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesnt consider CD a guns n roses album anymore » 201 weeks ago
Everyone who joined GN'R post 1996 was hired as Axl collaborators to write music. Basically West Arkeen. He has a treasure trove of music, he's not taking forum advice about what he ought to do with it. I mean, to get upset about any of this is just baffling. Perhaps is a great song, and I'm excited to hear what they do with it.
And now Slash and Duff are just hired Axl collaborators since all they are doing is covering BH, Finck's and Tommys parts instead of coming up with their own songs for Axl to sing on.
That is the biggest issue. After all this time Axl, Slash and Duff get back together and instead of writing new music together, they are just re-doing Axls solo work.
#53 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesnt consider CD a guns n roses album anymore » 201 weeks ago
I don't get folk who go on about "I wish they wouldn't release these songs with Slash and Duff, I want the originals from 02, I don't want these versions of the songs".
Getting these versions is the hurdle that needs to be cleared if you ever EVER want to hear how these songs sounded with the CD lineup. Getting a release of this music out the door gets us 1) closer to any sort of unloading of old demos, vault boxset type release in the future 2) kills the mystique any of these songs have and reduces their trade value.
If any of this shit is out there and someone who's been sat on lets just say The General for the past decade sees an announced tracklist for an eventual album and sees their shit on there... they're going to want to get it moved quick before it becomes worth so much less. More trading of shit means songs end up in more hands and make it likelier they end up leaking.
If you ever want to one day hear Axl's CD 2 the way it was "supposed" to have been heard circa 2001-2004 then this hurdle of a new reunion album needs to be cleared.
What is there not to get?
slash and duff are back in the band. Why would you want to hear them cover the CD era stuff instead of Slash, Duff and Axl writing new songs from scratch with each other.
Axl should have just released an Axl solo cd after the break up with the CD era of the band and start to work on fresh songs with Slash and Duff
But now they have wasted like 5 years and not writing new music and all we will get is the CD era songs with slash and duff touch ups. that is just dumb
#54 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesnt consider CD a guns n roses album anymore » 201 weeks ago
James wrote:It isn't that he doesn't consider CD or those lineups GNR.
It's like I've said before... even before the shindig got underway....
They are in the process of retconning the Chinese Democracy years.
We see it with the Absurd songwriting credits with GNR as a catch-all for everything...new song titles for old songs which will continue...no mention of CD members, such as "Here's a new one written by Mother Goose and Mr. Dizzy Reed" a la Silkworms at Rio....
They'll take it another step when the album comes out.
It's like they picked up where they left off in 1993....a massive touring machine consisting of the Big 3 and an assorted cast of characters that eventually needs a product in stores to grease the wheels.
I don't really see a problem with it.
The ship sailed and sunk looooong ago on CD and any followups being anything like they should've been 2000-04.
That chapter is permanently closed...and this is the only way this upcoming material was ever going to be released.
I really find his comments back in 2001 regarding Slash apologizing publicly and he can contribute to a few CD tracks funny in hindsight.
The idea of the old guard coming back in was already in his head in the early phase of the project.
We're damn lucky that we're going to get it. This stuff was going to rot without Slash and Duff coming back.
Weird aint it? That at some point he always wanted Slash to return and work on the CD tracks. Anyway, they should retcon those CD years. It became a punchline and an embarrassement, just the entire project and the name of it.
I have no problem with this either. Other bands have glossed over stuff like this. Van Halen almost never mentions the album with Gary Cherone. Pretty sure Motley Crue barely mentions the album they did without Vince Neil.
its a punchline yet they are redoing the songs from that version of the band.
And they will make the songs worse since Slash isn't as good as BH and he cant even play Fincks parts well either.
Just listen to the hard school rehearsal they totally dumbed the song down for slash. Sure we will get to hear those songs but with Slash and duff they will be bastardized versions.
At least some savvy people will be able to strip off the vocals and put them on the 2001 versions.
I just think its funny Slash and Duff come back and they cant even write their own songs, Axl is making them do songs written by other people.
#55 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesnt consider CD a guns n roses album anymore » 201 weeks ago
He probably meant with Slash and Duff on board I'd imagine. Maybe he's stoned. There's some good trees in Colorado.
its not even a new song they played it in 2001. And its not even a slash and duff song lol.
#56 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesnt consider CD a guns n roses album anymore » 201 weeks ago
Why do GNR fans constantly look something to be outraged about? Good lord.
because this band has only released about 16 new songs in 30 years.
#57 Guns N' Roses » Axl doesnt consider CD a guns n roses album anymore » 201 weeks ago
- davegnfnr2k
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Axl just cucked chinese democracy. Before playing Absurd, he said its their first new song in 30 years.
So he doesn't count chinese democrat as an GnR album anymore. LOL
#58 Re: Guns N' Roses » Songwriting Credits » 201 weeks ago
I call BS
#59 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Release 'Absurd' Single » 203 weeks ago
I wouldn’t worry about Axl getting scared off by bad reviews this time around. He’s not alone to shoulder the whole burden now. It was all on him before. With Slash and Duff by his side, there’s a lot less pressure. If he really was worried about that, I highly doubt they would have led with Absurd.
Someone brought this up before and I was thinking the same thing. Do you think this was the plan all along, meaning leading into the tour? Play show 1 to get warmed up, debut Absurd show 2, announce it’ll be released as a single show 3 knowing word will spread like wildfire amongst the online community. Or did they decide to throw it all together after they got some buzz after playing it at Fenway?
pretty sure you have to plan in advance when to drop a song on that many platforms, it can't be last second. this was probably planned for mnths
#60 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Release 'Absurd' Single » 203 weeks ago
they are rehearsing hard school, so hopefully its not that far behind.
