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#51 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 231 weeks ago
Setlist
1 - "It's So Easy"
2 - "Mr. Brownstone"
3 - "Chinese Democracy"
4 - "Rumble" [Link Wray song]
5 - "Welcome To The Jungle"
6 - "Slither" [Velvet Revolver song]
7 - "Double Talkin' Jive"
8 - "Estranged"
9 - "Live and Let Die" [Paul McCartney & Wings song]
10 - "You're Crazy"
11 - "Better"
12 - "Rocket Queen"
13 - "You Could Be Mine"
14 - "I Wanna Be Your Dog" [Iggy Pop song] *Duff McKagan on vocals*
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AFD - 5
UYI - 4
CD - 2
Covers - 3
"Better" has a different slot since the last gig.
New visuals on "Rocket Queen"!
No live debut for "Hard School"!
Updated.
#52 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 231 weeks ago
Setlist
1 - "It's So Easy"
2 - "Mr. Brownstone"
3 - "Chinese Democracy"
4 - "Rumble" [Link Wray song]
5 - "Welcome To The Jungle"
6 - "Slither" [Velvet Revolver song]
7 - "Double Talkin' Jive"
8 - "Estranged"
9 - "Live and Let Die" [Paul McCartney & Wings song]
10 - "You're Crazy"
11 - "Better"
12 - "Rocket Queen"
_________
AFD - 5
UYI - 3
CD - 2
Covers - 2
"Better" has a different slot since the last gig.
Updated.
#53 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 231 weeks ago
I don't have any link.... Yet.
Setlist
1 - "It's So Easy"
2 - "Mr. Brownstone"
3 - "Chinese Democracy"
4 - "Rumble" [Link Wray song]
5 - "Welcome To The Jungle"
6 - "Slither" [Velvet Revolver song]
7 - "Double Talkin' Jive"
8 - "Estranged"
9 - "Live and Let Die" [Paul McCartney & Wings song]
_________
AFD - 3
UYI - 3
CD - 1
Covers - 2
First gig without "Better" since 2014??
Updated.
#54 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 231 weeks ago
Setlist
1 - "It's So Easy"
2 - "Mr. Brownstone"
_________
AFD - 2
#55 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl's optimism in 2002.... » 232 weeks ago
James wrote:This was heavily mocked over the years.... especially as they kept performing the same small set of songs on the next CD tour.
Hindsight appears to actually vindicate him on this. To any new/younger fans here, he's not really referring to a second album here although obviously he had at different points. He's including B sides.
Since he said this in 2002, we now know of the Village Sessions obviously and factor in Fortus statements about Axl working on vocals briefly in 2001 and 2002, and very little afterwards...more songs are in contention or as the saying goes....A listed.
Let's have a look....
--
Madagascar
TWAT
Atlas Shrugged
Perhaps
Prostitute
Riad
Catcher in the Rye
Chinese Democracy
The Blues
Silkworms
Oh My God
IRS
Oklahoma
If The World
Hardschool
State of Grace
This I Love
Going Down---
That's 18. I included Oh My God because they performed it in that timeframe and was at least briefly considered to be in contention for the album.
I included Oklahoma because it's a finished track at this point due to being the alternate at HOB.
Now let's see the rest....
--
The General
Quick Song
Soul Monster
Zodiac
Better
Circus Maximus/Ides of March
Sorry
Thyme
Scraped
Shackler's Revenge--
There's 10.....and there's still more material that can replace various tracks listed above.
I certainly agree with that. His 180 regarding OMG reinforces this point as well.
Hell...those songs had been discussed and heard by various people a few years before they were performed on tour.
They were clearly A list tracks.
In a post Village Sessions leak world, it brings up an issue we had discussed during the prime of the HTGTH forum....
If he truly had that many songs ready(28), why in the hell did he stick to pushing that same small batch of songs?
In 2001:
Chinese Democracy
The Blues
Madagascar
Riad
Silkworms
Oh My GodIn the context of 2000-01...this isn't bad. He's reintroducing GNR to the world on the verge of what at the time felt like a legitimate comeback.
Now it's open to debate whether those were the right songs to get things moving. Having said that, the actual number of new songs... while hardcores may want more....was pretty much right on the money with other major acts promoting a new album on tour.
Fast forward a year to the bizarre fiasco of 2002....
Three of those songs have been dropped!
Nothing new took their place.
Why?
I don't really buy the bootleg excuse fans usually trot out. If that is the correct stance, why perform ANY new material?
Whatever the reason, it became a pattern throughout the entire saga. Every time the tour starts dragging on with little positive press and no forward movement, CD tracks start disappearing in favor of old chestnuts.
It became a form of bait and switch.
It's also the time when many hardcore fans, including me, started questioning how much material that they really had to work with.
When a song like Silkworms is being dropped with no replacement, it doesn't inspire confidence in your material.
We now know what he had.
I have always believed that the Rio 2001 setlist should've been CD heavy. It was the perfect moment to solidify new GNR as its own entity. It should've had a similar approach as Audioslave....play the big hits but hit the audience over the head with your new stuff. It lets everyone know what the deal is now.
The middle ground which led to bait and switch was the wrong approach.
We know Bucket was an advocate for this type of push. It's not surprising that he lost interest quickly.
Once 2002 rolls around, a fresh set of songs was definitely needed.
CD - it's the title track. It stays.
The Blues - The song had clearly been worked on since the previous year's shows. It stays.
Oklahoma - You're dropping Riad on this tour. Replace it with the song chosen as its alternate at last year's HOB show.
IRS - You've dropped Silkworms which never returns. Replace it with this.
If the World - Oh My God has been dropped. Along with Silkworms, a pattern emerges....the industrial/techno stuff has been shelved. Include this ...it fits and it's one of the best songs you have. It's also worthy of appearing on a soundtrack. If not picking If the World, TWAT also fits here.
Madagascar - It's an important song to him. It stays.
Such simple changes improve things immensely. The hardcores rally around him, new songs mean more press, potential for an album is taken more seriously, etc.
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I really have that chronologhy in my mind, for some songs.
1998: [Instrumental early CD]
"Madagascar" (Only song with vocals)
"Prostitute"
"T.W.A.T"
"Hard School"
"Riad N' The Bedouins"
"Catcher In The Rye"
"Chinese Democracy"
"Oklahoma"
"The Blues"
"Perhaps"
"Atlas Shrugged"
"Ides Of March"
"Thyme"
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1999 - 2000: [All songs with vocals / Sean Beavan production / first rejected CD]
"Madagascar"
"Prostitute"
"T.W.A.T."
"Hard School"
"Riad N' The Bedouins"
"Catcher In The Rye"
"Chinese Democracy"
"Oklahoma" [Instrumental]
"The Blues"
"Perhaps"
"Atlas Shrugged"
"Silkworms"
"If The World"
"Eye On You"
"State Of Grace"
"I.R.S."
"Goin' Down"
"Tommy Home Demo#1"
"Oh My God"
"Thyme" [Instrumental]
"P.R.L." [Instrumental]
"Quick Song" [Guide vocals]
"Nothin'" [Guide vocals]
"I'm Sorry" [Instrumental]
"Zodiac 13" [Instrumental]
"Moustache" [Instrumental]
"Tonto" [Instrumental]
"Shackler's Revenge / Dub Suplex / Real Doll" [Instrumental]
"Billionaire" [Instrumental]
"Devious Bastard" [Instrumental]
"Dummy" [Instrumental]
"Me & My Elvis" [Instrumental]
"D Tune / Circus Maximus" [Instrumental]
"Curly Shuffle" [Instrumental]
"As It Began" [Instrumental]
"Rebel" [Instrumental]
"Three Dollar Pyramid" [Instrumental]
"Prom Violence" [Instrumental]
"Inside Out" [Instrumental]
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2001 - 2002: [Re-recorded parts / New versions / RTB production / More vocals / Beltrami work in october 2002]
"Madagascar" [Buckmaster orchestra]
"Prostitute" [Buckmaster orchestra]
"There Was A Time" [Extended by BH solo] [Buckmaster orchestra] [Renamed from "TWAT"]
"Hard School"
"Riad N' The Bedouins"
"Catcher In The Rye"
"Chinese Democracy" [Extended by BH solo]
"Berlin" [Renamed from "Oklahoma"]
"The Blues" [Buckmaster orchestra]
"Perhaps" [Buckmaster orchestra??]
"Atlas Shrugged" [Buckmaster orchestra??]
"Silkworms" [Complete re-recording]
"If The World"
"State Of Grace"
"I.R.S."
"Oh My God"
"Going Down" [Complete re-recording] [Renamed from "Goin' Down"]
"Thyme" [Instrumental] [Beltrami orchestra]
"Quick Song" [Guide vocals] [Extended by BH solo]
"Zodiac" [Instrumental] [Renamed from "Zodiac 13"]
"Sorry For You" [Instrumental] [Renamed from "I'm Sorry"
"Moustache" [Instrumental]
"Tonto" [Instrumental]
"Shackler's Revenge / Dub Suplex / Real Doll" [Instrumental]
"The General" [Instrumental] [Beltrami orchestra] [Renamed from "Billionaire"]
"Devious Bastard" [Instrumental]
"100 Cuban Skies" [Renamed from "Dummy"]
"Leave Me Alone" [Instrumental] [Beltrami orchestra] [Renamed from "Me & My Elvis"]
"7" [Instrumental] [Beltrami orchestra] [Renamed from "D Tune / Circus Maximus"]
"Curly Shuffle" [Instrumental]
"As It Began" [Instrumental]
"Rebel" [Instrumental]
"Better" [Renamed from "Three Dollar Pyramid"]
"Prom Violence"
"P.R.L." [Scrapped song??] [Instrumental]
"Eye On You" [Scrapped song??]
"Nothin'" [Scrapped song??] [Guide vocals]
"Tommy Home Demo #1" [Scrapped song?]
"Inside Out" [Scrapped song??] [Instrumental]
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2003 - 2005: [More vocals / New "BH" tracks / last touches, ready-to-go, ultimate CD]
"Madagascar"
"Prostitute"
"There Was A Time"
"Hard School"
"Riad N' The Bedouins"
"Catcher In The Rye"
"Chinese Democracy"
"Berlin"
"The Blues"
"Perhaps"
"Atlas Shrugged"
"Silkworms"
"If The World"
"State Of Grace"
"I.R.S."
"Oh My God"
"Going Down"
"Sorry For You" [Instrumental]
"Tonto" [Instrumental]
"Shackler's Revenge" [Instrumental] [Frankesteined track]
"The General"
"Cuban Skies" [Renamed from "100 Cuban Skies"]
"Elvis Presley & The Monster Of Soul" [Renamed from "Leave Me Alone"]
"7"
"Better"
"The Lies They Tell" [Instrumental] [Frankesteined track
"This I Love" [Instrumental]
"Thyme" [Instrumental] [Scrapped song??]
"Quick Song" [Guide vocals] [Scrapped song??]
"Zodiac" [Guide vocals] [Scrapped song??]
"Moustache" [Instrumental] [Scrapped song??]
"Devious Bastard" [Instrumental] [Scrapped song??]
"Curly Shuffle" [Instrumental] [Scrapped song??]
"As It Began" [Instrumental] [Scrapped song??]
"Rebel" [Instrumental] [Scrapped song??]
"Prom Violence" [Instrumental] [Scrapped song??]
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2006 - ???: [Released tracks / new vocals / shelved songs]
Released songs - all songs with vocals:
"Chinese Democracy"
"Shackler's Revenge"
"Better"
"Street Of Dreams" [Renamed from "Stardust" and "The Blues"
"If The World"
"There Was A Time"
"Catcher In The Rye"
"Scrapped" [Renamed from "The Lies They Tell"]
"Riad N' The Bedouins"
"Sorry" [Renamed from "Sorry For You"
"I.R.S."
"Madagascar"
"This I Love"
"Prostitute"
Unreleased songs - not known if all tracks have vocals:
"Oh My God"
"Atlas Shrugged"
"Perhaps"
"Silkworms"
"Going Down"
"Hard School"
"Berlin"
"State Of Grace"
"Tonto"
"The General"
"Cuban Skies"
"Soul Monster" [Renamed from "Elvis Presley & The Monster Of Soul"]
"7"
"Light My Fire (Monstrosity)"
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TL;TR: 14 released songs / 14 unreleased finished songs.
#56 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 232 weeks ago
It's over.
SETLIST:
1 - "It's So Easy"
2 - "Mr. Brownstone"
3 - "Chinese Democracy"
4 - "Rumble" [Link Wray song]
5 - "Welcome To The Jungle"
6 - "Double Talkin' Jive"
7 - "Slither" [Velvet Revolver song]
8 - "Better"
9 - "Estranged"
10 - "Live and Let Die" [Paul McCartney & Wings song]
11 - "You're Crazy"
12 - "Rocket Queen"
13 - "You Could Be Mine"
14 - "I Wanna Be Your Dog" [Iggy Pop song] **Duff McKagan on vocals**
15 - "Civil War"
16 - "Dead Horse"
17 - "Mannish Boy" [Muddy Waters song]
18 - "Sweet Child O' Mine"
19 - "November Rain"
20 - "Only Women Bleed" [Alice Cooper song]
21 - "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" [Bob Dylan song]
22 - "Nightrain"
23 - "Paradise City"
AFD - 8
UYI - 8
CD - 2
Non album covers - 5
23 songs. Only one encore. No HardSkool.
#57 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 232 weeks ago
Setlist updated again.
No HardSkool ever again.
#58 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 232 weeks ago
Setlist updated.
No Hard Skool.
#59 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 232 weeks ago
SETLIST:
1 - "It's So Easy"
2 - "Mr. Brownstone"
3 - "Chinese Democracy"
4 - "Rumble" [Link Wray song]
5 - "Welcome To The Jungle"
6 - "Double Talkin' Jive"
7 - "Slither" [Velvet Revolver song]
8 - "Better"
9 - "Estranged"
10 - "Live and Let Die" [Paul McCartney & Wings song]
11 - "You're Crazy"
12 - "Rocket Queen"
13 - "You Could Be Mine"
14 - "I Wanna Be Your Dog" [Iggy Pop song] **Duff McKagan on vocals**
15 - "Civil War"
16 - "Dead Horse"
17 - "Mannish Boy" [Muddy Waters song]
18 - "Sweet Child O' Mine"
19 - "November Rain"
20 - "Only Women Bleed" [Alice Cooper song]
21 - "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" [Bob Dylan song]
22 - "Nightrain"
23 - "Paradise City"
AFD - 8
UYI - 8
CD - 2
Non album covers - 5
#60 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 232 weeks ago
EDIT:
#1 might be "Bennie & The Jets" (Elton John cover).
No signals of a ZZ Top cover... so far.
