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#51 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Guns N' Roses: Is It All Over? Does Anyone Care?" » 867 weeks ago
I agree with Neemo's post
As I said in regards to promotion on another board, this is an album, not a movie. To paint the picture an average wide release studio movie gets about $15-30 million in advertising budget for their theatrical run. The biggest albums get maybe $5 million. Combine this with the short attention spans of modern consumers and it would be idiotic to dilute the advertising budget equally over an 8 week span. The smart move is to spend most of it in the last week or two
I don't see what more promotion people want. There have been billboards in major cities, national TV ads, and viral stuff. They've had people issuing fake parking tickets advertising CD on the windshield of every cars in the parking lots at Metallica and AC/DC concerts. The single is charting high and selling a ton of digital downloads internationally. Black Ice, which was by far the most heavily promoted album this year, didn't really ramp up the campaign until the week before it came out
And as for giving interviews to magazines and doing late night talk shows, that stuff is so outdated in terms of actually selling albums. It doesn't work anymore. If it did, Libertad would have gone double platinum, not double brick, because those guys were in every rock magazine, on every talk show, on radio stations nationwide, and their album didn't sell shit. I think people expecting an old school marketing campaign are out of touch with the times and the realities of the music business. People aren't going diamond and selling out stadiums anymore. So much of the money today is made off of ringtones, digital singles, video game downloads and licensing fees, the business has just changed a lot and the marketing reflects that
#52 Re: Guns N' Roses » To Bucket, GNR is a 'dirty word' » 867 weeks ago
Why are people speculating that Tommy is gone? Just because of the rumors of Bucket returning combined with the knowledge that Tommy isn't too fond of Bucket?
I can't imagine him leaving. Axl has handed Tommy the world on a silver platter (Sopranos shout out). Tommy was working at the phone company at the time that Axl called him. He has given him the opportunity to earn a ton of money and opened doors that were shut and locked before. I can't imagine Tommy jumping ship at this stage
Robin, I can understand, because he probably earns about the same touring with NIN as he does with GnR. The main difference is the opportunity to contribute creatively in the studio. But if the rumors of the next two albums being done, combined with the possibility of him getting pushed aside for Ron and Richard on any new recordings they do, maybe he decided it was time to move on. I mean his writing contributions on CD ended up being pretty minimal so his creative input in Guns may have been overstated
#53 Re: Guns N' Roses » To Bucket, GNR is a 'dirty word' » 867 weeks ago
russtcb wrote:I know I'm alone on this, but I really don't care to see BH back and if he does return it'll take a serious bite out of the live experience for me.
I hated having to sit through a ridiculous martial arts/robot dance segment in the 02 show.
Bucket owns Ron "no stage presence" Thal and Robin "I am here to fuck up Slash's solos" Finck.
The sad thing is so many GNR fans have become such sheep that they will accept whatever Axl throws at them, I call this the Jarmo mentality meaning Axl can do no wrong.
Bucket is the best thing to happen to GNR since Slash and Duff left.
I don't care how nice Ron is, he sure isn't Bucket.
A lot of GNR fans are like "oh just be happy the album is coming out" OK< great but if you want the best live GNR experience,you need Bucket and Brain ,not Ron and Frank.
I think Ron is great, but I agree with you on Bucket
He was the best thing has happened to GnR since the old band split up. No offense to Robin or Paul, but I think part of the reason this album didn't get off the ground a lot earlier is that Axl did not have guitarists that were as talented as he is
When CD was getting off the ground the most talented musicians in the band were Axl, Dizzy and Pitman. Too bad Axl didn't see the Bucket concert a few years earlier
I imagine if Axl, Dizzy, Pitman, Paul and Bucket had hit the studio in 1998 we would've had a Guns album in 2000
Instead Bucket came along late, they tried to fit him in with stuff that was already written plus his own stuff, and who knows what the hell happened between 2002 and 2008 behind the scenes in terms of recording and all the "my dick's bigger than yours" stuff with Axl and the label. But it seems like the rejection of Axl's 1999 or 2000 album by the label might have caused him to second guess everything he did
#54 Re: Guns N' Roses » To Bucket, GNR is a 'dirty word' » 867 weeks ago
Wow, if Bucket rejoined the band it would be amazing. The guy dominates all throughout CD, even on the songs he doesn't play much on
Truly hope that when we get future albums, there's more Bucket stuff. I assume there would be since 11 of the 14 songs on CD were written before Bucket joined up, and the other 3 are from him
I remember hearing Soothsayer for the first time and wishing that had been from a GnR session and Axl snagged it. Would have been fucking immense
#55 Re: Guns N' Roses » To Bucket, GNR is a 'dirty word' » 867 weeks ago
Yeah James, it is really pretty hilarious the amount of shit that was hurled at Tobias just because Slash didn't like him
Then they come to find out that he co-wrote some of the most well received songs on the album, and what is probably the most "old GnR" sounding rocker on the album, but again not surprising since he co-wrote Back Off Bitch and Shadow of Your Love
#56 Re: Guns N' Roses » To Bucket, GNR is a 'dirty word' » 867 weeks ago
Are you saying you think its related to the other members? Or the unpleasantness of having all of this extra media and fan attention cast upon him?
I have a feeling it was related to other members. I don't really know the details but I know that Tommy made some uncomplimentary comments about working with him a while ago after he left the band and I heard rumblings about other people in the band who weren't exactly sad to see him go
The reason I specifically mentioned Richard is because he said that Bucket is an amazing guitarist and would love to work with him again. Brain obviously is good friends with him and has toured/recorded with him since the GnR departure. The fact that Axl has left the large majority of his guitar work intact on the final album speaks volumes.
There is a guy who posts on another GnR forum who has contact with Bucket and his people. Earlier this year he said something along the lines of "I wouldn't wish that on Bucket" when commenting on Bucket rejoining GnR. But after the Dr. Pepper comment from Axl about sharing his Dr. Pepper with Buckethead, he said that he wouldn't rule out Bucket and Axl working together again in some capacity in the future
#57 Re: Guns N' Roses » To Bucket, GNR is a 'dirty word' » 867 weeks ago
bigbri wrote:it was a very unpleasant experience for him.
If he'd cleaned up the dog shit he might have found it slightly less unpleasant
Axl gave him a huge audience to show off his talents, built him a chicken coop in-studio to make him feel comfortable, and generally gave him free reign musically on Chinese Democracy as far as we know.
I'm not bashing Buckethead, there's no doubt plenty of shit we don't know that made it unpleasant for him, but from what we do know I fail to see why it was unpleasant.
Not knowing a ton about the situation but hearing certain comments from band members and other people who know something about the situation, I would say that the unpleasantness on a personal level was unrelated to Axl, Richard, or (obviously) Brain
#58 Re: Guns N' Roses » Did you buy Chinese Democracy single on Itunes? » 867 weeks ago
madagas wrote:they stopped playing it on radio all together because Slash isn't on the track....Universal pulled it and won't be releasing the album either until Slash records over the guitars....
come on, man.... we are waaaay too fucking close.
not. funny.
In the old ROV days, Bono came up with a conspiracy theory that CD would not be released until the old band came in and re-recorded the guitars and they would embark on a massive tour behind CD with the reunion lineup
To this day I'm not sure whether he was joking or not. But he spent a lot of time defending the theory 
#59 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bach says he is on Sorry.. Leak fake » 867 weeks ago
The Skwerl leaks came from before Ron came along
These latest ones could be from the same source as the original Shackler's leak. That was a song from the post-Ron era as well that wasn't a final version
#60 Re: Guns N' Roses » Couple questions/comments about album » 867 weeks ago
Baz called The General one of the most aggressive songs that Axl's written and said that he's never heard Axl sing that high except on his own album. It's also one of the tracks that Beltrami worked on. So definitely not Sorry or any other song we've heard
Axl mentioned in '06 that they were "currently working on 32 songs, 26 of which are nearly done." Now you can take that a number of ways but bottom line they have another 18 actual songs that are complete or near complete that aren't on this album
Pitman just mentioned they have hundreds of songs and are actively still working on stuff for future releases
Atlas Shrugged is another song that we haven't heard, because it's known that this is one of the tracks Brian May worked on in 1999, maybe it's Checkmate. Either way, Tom Zutaut said it was one of the best songs they had and it's not on there
I don't see why people are so skeptical about there being a lot of other songs out there from 2000-present. We hadn't heard of Scraped until a month or so ago, hadn't heard of Shackler's until the middle of this year, would never have heard of Sorry until recently if Baz hadn't mentioned it
Just look at the way that song titles have been released. Chinese Democracy, The Blues, Catcher, TWAT, IRS, Prostitute were all mentioned in RS articles in 1999 or 2000 when Axl played songs for them. Madagascar and Riad were unveiled live. The Beltrami tracks were mentioned by him in 2002.
But the other songs like Atlas Shrugged, Scraped, If The World, Better, Shackler's, Scraped, etc were all mentioned 6, 7, 8, years after they were recorded. I'm sure there are plenty more that haven't been mentioned or named yet. Many of the "big guns" were only known because they were mentioned in name by Axl to Rolling Stone, or appeared on the setlist years after they were composed
