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#611 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago

Neemo wrote:

are you sure sic?

that is insane if robin is meeting with the engineer and producer and trent

Relatively sure. Haven't seen too many recent pics on Moulder or Ross, but they do seem to fit the bill.


Neemo wrote:

could these pics be old? is robin on Ghosts?

Robin's not on Ghosts. The guitar parts for those tracks were recorded by Alessandro Cortini and Adrian Belew.

Theoretically, this picture is anywhere between the last GNR show (late July '07) and the present day (as Robin did sport a noticeable beard for a good while in the past few years). Since he's not on Ghosts, recorded from October to December '07, it likely dates beyond those sessions. Meaning it'd be somewhere between January and today.

Somebody e-mail him and ask when he last shaved. 16

#612 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago

I believe that's Robin on the far left, with Alan Moulder and Atticus Ross, Trent's long-time producer and engineer, respectively. Trent's obviously the one facing them.

Four guys up to something - recording Robin's guitar parts. He's not there plainly for rehearsals, he's already contributing to the next NIN release.

#613 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose reality show proposed » 898 weeks ago

According to sources at Geffen (Rose's music label) a version of "Chinese Democracy" has been finished and delivered to the label.

It's done, says Beta, and in order to negotiate, Axl needs to preview it. Makes sense to me.

But there are still outstanding issues between the singer and the label, not the least of which is a recording cost for the project which (depending on who you believe), has reached between $11 and $15 million.

$13 Million under the Geffen/Interscope/Universal banner, from at least Aug '96 to Feb '04. Additional four years of production (Feb '04 - Dec '07) from Axl's own pocket, possibly another $2 Million or so. I wouldn't be surprised if Axl'd want his recording expenses to be covered before they'd go any further.

Another stickler is the digital rights for the tracks, along with some proposed "bonus" tracks Geffen would like to release digitally.

I believe this might have something to do with the publishing rights of the material. Axl sold his share of the publishing rights - which covers all music to be published from the CD sessions - to Sanctuary Publishing, and Universal inadvertedly got their hands on 'em during the corporate buyout.

Axl may argue that Universal doesn't have the rights, or simply flat out refuses to release anything beyond   the initial 13 tracks for the time being. He knows that the tracks are his only as long as he doesn't turn them over. After that, Universal's free to license them to whatever they choose.

#614 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago

Not particularly the outcome I'd prefer, but

If GNR was blindsided about Robin's NIN gig for whatever reason and he's now committed to do an x amount of dates with Trent - while also assuming GNR has touring plans in '08, which could now be compromised - GNR would need another touring member. In this situation, John 5 could be a potential choice. He's with Rob Zombie now, Zombie is managed by Andy Gould, Gould/Azoff also have GNR...

Back in the day, John 5 was considered as the Buckethead replacement. I personally think his playing's closer to that of Robin's when style is concerned. Granted, he has more technical prowess, but the overall feeling is certainly something that takes me closer to Finckster than Bucket.

WTTJ covered by John5

#615 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago

Communist China wrote:

Most people are extremely happy and glad that someone who plays extremely well instead of just running around like an idiot (Aaron North or Fortus). Also they like it because it's a return of 'Classic NIN' from their heyday of Downward Spiral and The Fragile.

Robin's closing solo is pretty self-explanatory; it's no wonder a lot of NIN fans will always consider him as the definitive lead guitarist. I do find it a bit saddening that so many GNR fans failed to recognize the meaning of such a status over the years. During Robin's original tenure in the band, he was always surrounded by talented musicians on their own right. By the time the Fragility tour was announced, there was a long queue of people out for his job.

The NIN fans are far from through with Robin and he's not completely over them, either. I hate to say it, but all things considered, in his position I'd think very hard if Trent would now offer a chance to become a regular studio contributor and tour for a long time. You rather be loved for what you are or dissed for what you're not?

#616 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago

Neemo wrote:

this shows us that the media doesnt care about anyone in this band but Axl....the lead fucking guitar player for guns n roses just joined another band...a huge band for a world tour .... and barely anyone wrote a story about it 18 the buzz is dead

Look at it the other way around.

NIN has enjoyed huge media visibility in the recent times, has released three studio albums in the past four years, toured the world all around, etc.

Nobody gives a damn who's the lead guitarist of NIN Live. lol


But seriously, Trent has posted a photo on the website and updated their YouTube profile to mention Robin. That's all he's done so far. As Backslash just said right there, not much meat in the story at the moment.

#617 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago

war wrote:

although nobody in NIN is really a band member. they are all "hired nails"

Since they're just in it for the road trip, I personally call them 'hangnails'.

#618 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

I would never be able to retrieve it, but back in 06 someone got a response from Mank Rage(Huge's band), and got a GNR mention where it said there is a touring lineup and a studio lineup for GNR.

You mean this?

Voodoochild  wrote:


About the guy from Mank Range saying Paul is still on GNR...

The post itself is deleted.. But there's still a quote here:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/boar … #msg749072

WAR41 wrote:

MrRedfield wrote:

Of course Paul is a current member of the GNR studio line-up and has been for years.

That is quite interesting.

#619 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago

DCK wrote:

This is supposed to be a band. I never saw GNR as Axl plus a bunch of others playing. I always saw it as a band and Axl too judging from what he said about everyone contributing.

Define 'band'. Seriously, I'm not trying to break your balls, I'm curious as to how you consider that word.

Because in this case, what we have is about 10 years worth of studio time, countless of tryouts with various musicians, people doing 'guest appearances' and leaving as quickly as they came... The GNR studio band, if you may, had at least one consistent lineup that never toured, yet completed an album (Axl-Robin-Huge-Tommy-Freese-Dizzy). Cue Dave Navarro, Brian May, Buckethead, Brain, Pitman, Fortus... Everybody post-93 (aside Tommy) has had another person doing his parts in the studio.

If people who "made" the current album together (or, more precisely, likely contributed the most) are the band you speak of, I'd wager a wild guess and point you to the RIR3 lineup. Paul Huge, who wrote and recorded material for the project just about forever before unceremoniously leaving, and Buckethead, whose contributions and significance cannot be denied.


Then there's the live band, which has more recently lived a life separate from the studio band. While Fortus had all the time in the world to become amalgamated into the band, it's not pretty to see first Bucket leaving, then Brain. Now, if Robin should leave, expect it to effect the overall sound at least as Bucket's resignation, for better or for worse. Of course, this doesn't hurt the album much, as for the most part, the studio band remained mostly consistent for four to five years. That's why the album will be a band effort. Just not by the band you see on stage, because time's caught up with that lineup.


DCK wrote:

He made the band contribute, he made them write songs. He was specifically asking them to contribute as much as possible so it would be a band and not Axl Rose project.

Partially it's because Axl needed people who could contribute. Without Slash (and Izzy - and Duff), he was pretty clueless about where to go with the band name. He couldn't have gone back even if he'd wanted to, he didn't know where he could/should go. That's why people came in and got back out again, jamming on a nightly basis, so that Axl could figure a direction and recruit a steady lineup piece by piece   from the rows of people checking into the studio. If it sounds like a one great audition, that's exactly what I think it was, trying out players - and trying out the sound.

Axl's more into composing with the piano, anyway. He can do things like November Rain and Estranged, but he still needs some capable people to round up the songs. Personally, I don't think Axl could even write an album completely on his own. He needs people like Slash and Izzy to help out. Once he has those songs, those raw structures and the guitar solos, he can pull off his UYI antics - the band recorded their parts and Axl locked himself into the studio for a year or so to write and record lyrics and add various touches. Producing other peoples sound and writing/singing are the areas towards which Axl has always shown most interest. He knows his own talents and limitations, the only question which always remains is that are the songs his band wrote worthy to carry the GNR name. While he's probably lost a few nights sleep over it, it's never solely up to him to decide.

#620 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago

DCK wrote:

Frontman and lead guitarist are pretty vital members in a band like GNR

But of course, let them go and play with other big bands.

I imagine Slash in Motley Crue or something when GNR was off tour and wasnt recording Illusion. 16

I imagine Slash performing with Michael Jackson, having his own band, doing soundtracks, and appearing with fellow musicians on various festivals and such.

The reason he never went to another 'big' band at the time was because he specifically wanted Snakepit to be a smaller venue act than GNR. But he did get around to play those big venues outside the GNR banner while still in the band, make no mistake on that.

buzzsaw wrote:

If they can replace the guy mostly responsible for writing AFD (Izzy) and creating the band's musical sound (Slash), they can replace ANYBODY not named Axl Rose.

I'd liken the replacement of Bucket to the replacement of Izzy. Gilby and Ron were both signed on as mainly touring members. The fact that Bucket stays (while, say, Brain re-recorded Josh Freese's parts) speaks for itself.

When Slash left, Axl was left with a record he couldn't finish/release, because he needed someone with Slash's sound to get the job done. That's one of the main reasons GNR imploded with half an album in the can in '96. Slash was unreplaceable in his own right. I do admit that Robin can likely be replaced by a touring substitute and he has enough guitar parts in the can to appear on more than one album, but it's still a loss. Bucket and Ron aren't the same, but Ron's probably the best person available for the job. If Robin would walk, GNR would have to go through the same thing again with Robin's substitute and hope he'd fit the band and wouldn't backtrack the overall sound too much, as a good deal of it rests on Robin's shoulders whether you like it or not.

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