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#611 Re: The Sunset Strip » Marilyn Manson "Heaven Upside Down" - September 29th » 417 weeks ago
The music video for the aforementioned song should be out soon.
Also "Kill4Me" single is supposedly out September 20th which seems odd but that's the word on the streets.
#612 Re: The Garden » What's the last book you read? » 417 weeks ago
I've read it before, been awhile though. Hitch is a good read but a touch high on self-importance and the sophistry. A handful of good lines of argument. Far better than Dawkin's swill.
#613 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Creative Crisis of Guns N' Roses » 417 weeks ago
A compelling argument to be sure. I was following sp1at's premise of another leg without an album but you know, keep 'em coming.
James, I didn't look intimately at the 2016 numbers when putting together the Breaking Down The Loot post to account for all variables but I saw a high number of sellouts and Wiki says selling 96% of capacity, so near sellouts every gig. They were impressive numbers last year and I had strong suspicions some were artificially inflated.
For the Canada gig, even without comps, that's 83% of capacity on a smaller venue. It's Canada, I'm not sure what history dictates to track. Off the cuff, maybe a more difficult market.
So yes, the numbers aren't trending well. You're seeing increasing downward velocity. Lower price penetration point and/or greater incentive are necessary.
By the way, the Nightrain AFD lithos have gone out to a select group. Nada special.
#614 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Creative Crisis of Guns N' Roses » 417 weeks ago
It's really not ridiculous.
If anyone in GN'R is taking counsel, that is probably the recommendation. Financial advisors, managers, the works. Leave 'em wanting more. Don't tarnish your legacy. And so forth.
Of course, they're gonna do what they want. The fans aren't going to spook them in one way or another. People are allowed to have opinions.
I mean, a reoccurring theme of this very thread was the Guns N' Roses brand as Axl's creative albatross.
I'd like a farewell GN'R EP/LP with a new tour. Spruce up the '96 sessions. Say goodbye. Then Axl starting a new band and performing/releasing music on the regular. That'd be my dream scenario.
#615 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Creative Crisis of Guns N' Roses » 417 weeks ago
The irony is CDII is probably relevant musically if it is heavy electronica but irrelevant given the subject matter.
It's also more likely to be viewed as "not Guns N' Roses".
Metallica's new record, not to taste, at least grapples at some contemporary issues.
I think GN'R should be put to rest once the tour has run dry.
In your view, would that be at the end of the year? I mean, they could conceivably lube the machine back up later on for a true farewell tour.
Although for all his flaws, Axl strikes me as one to go out like a gentleman and not draw any attention to it.
The label can release all the vault material on generic greatest hit releases and whatever else.
Jackie Chan as Guns N' Roses equivalent of "You Know You're Right" on a new Greatest Hits would bait most.
#616 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Creative Crisis of Guns N' Roses » 417 weeks ago
I think this will be the major problem.
I think the labels would be falling over themselves to make a new GNR record with both Axl and Slash..even a bad selling GNR record will sell more than many of the bands they still back.
From my Breaking Down The Loot thread:
The band was able to rack up... $2 million in music sales and streams as well.
For comparison, Beyoncé released a new album in 2016, one that was officially declared the best-selling album of the year at that, and still only brought in $7.7 million from those categories.
Yes and no.
Beyonce releases the AFD of Pop Music last year and it only nets $7.7 million in sales.
In comparison, GN'R's entire back catalogue moves $2.2mil and The Stones not much more at ~$5mil.
So yes, the label would be interested in making a commercially friendly album that could sell.
But they won't sell the farm to do so. Not to a farmer who burnt down their last one or that wants to sell organic beet and kale shakes to a fanbase looking for red meat popsicles.
#617 Re: The Sunset Strip » Marilyn Manson "Heaven Upside Down" - September 29th » 417 weeks ago
It reminds me of Cake and Sodomy. It has elements from Born Villain.
It's unfortunate because that intro is pretty awesome but the actual song sounds nothing like that.
#618 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Creative Crisis of Guns N' Roses » 417 weeks ago
I don't buy that Zombie.
When things go wrong it's due to bad planning. It isn't because the winds of fate blew unfairly.
The saga seemed to have been a combination of Axl's personal issues and band money issues. The former was why we didn't get an album 1999-2002 and the latter why it took so long to get one in 2008 and never got a followup 2009-2011.
Axl is stable at the present and both Axl and the band is relatively flush with money.
It's not cut and dry. I can speculate the variables and angles. But it's mostly now or never.
#619 Re: The Sunset Strip » Marilyn Manson "Heaven Upside Down" - September 29th » 417 weeks ago
Single link up.
It's meh.
#620 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Creative Crisis of Guns N' Roses » 417 weeks ago
2006 was pretty incredible. Best Guns N' Roses tour since 1987-1993.
And this is it.
If we look past the fact that Axl will be 57 at his youngest once the AC/DC tour concludes, can we reasonably expect new music given everything we know about the state of the music industry and past Guns history? Going even further, can we expect Axl to make peace with the record company? Can we expect the record company to give into Axl's demands given he isn't a marketable artist anymore? And without a cut of the tour profits? Can we expect Slash and Duff to be enthusiastic about rerecording CDII? Can we expect Axl to put CDII on the shelf in favor of an album from scratch? Can we expect a band flush with money to want to get to work on a new album in the first place?
The answer to most of these questions is a hard no to extremely doubtful.
We're in full "better get it now before it's gone" mode.
Drinks up, gents, this ship is going down. Nothin' left to do, nothin' left to say.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to get serious and prove everyone wrong, but it doesn't look anything near likely.
