Ali wrote:

I disagree.  The whole point of a hypothetical does not HAVE to be to disregard the facts, especially if you want a credible hypothetical situation.  What's the point of a hypothetical argument if it is completely dissimilar to the actual situation being discussed?  Not much of one in my book.

And, nice little potshot there at the end.  It says a lot that rather than stay on topic, you make a snide comment like that. 

Ali

the whole point of something being hypothetical is to take a situation that does not exist and base an opinion on it.  Why the hell would anything be hypothetical if you had to have an exact scenario that actually exists to talk about? A credible hypothetical situation? hahaha. It's  HYPOTHETICAL!! I's clear as day that it means to use an example that does not exist. It's like asking  "how would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot?"   Clearly the situation does not exist but hypothetically if it did..... amazing how you do not see that. 

You'll call me out for ignoring facts in a  hypothetical situation? Ok .

BLS wrote:

I just hope Izzy shows up.. Fuck Axl and Slash.:haha:

true. In all of this Izzy is a wild card on his own. Never even thought of that. Maybe Izzy just doesn't wanna show up

U can argue however u want and i really don't care who all u think should get in.

What pisses me off, is people who can sit there with a straight face and say they don't wanna see Original Appetite lineup perform a couple songs one last time.

I think anyone who says that is fucking nuts. No offense.

Axlin08 wrote:

I feel sad for Steven that he seemingly hasn't moved past 1990. He still seems MAJORLY hung up over that whole ordeal. And I think it's because he internally blames himself, then projects that onto Axl.

I agree...but then I also think he's human you know. I mean he grew up with Slash - two fucked up kids who dreamed of being rockstars..then they made it happen...then he fucked it up....honest to god I don't think I'd ever get over it either.

Especially cos I hold fault in EVERYONE in GNR...no saints in this band...so if you are steven you can spend a life time blaming yourself for your drugs, or slash for not having your back, or Axl for his ways, or managment but then you know you are a junkie...it's a headfuck.

misterID wrote:

When he talked about a "final" show instead of a reunion, that helped him out a bit.

Agreed...although as a fan...a one-off show is semi-pointless to me. What will it achieve? They will play songs they have done thousands of times before except 25 years on - and there's always the risk that the pressure causes Steve to get on drugs, or Axl's having a bad night with his new voice...or something goes wrong...making one night of anything in GNR land is risky...as you don't know which band you'll get - sometimes they're the best of all time, but other nights it just doesn't take.

I think if any reunion happens it will be one-off shows - as that way Izzy doesnt have to comit to much, Slash doesn't have to spend a lifetime worrying about how Axl may not show up, and Axl can minimise exposure in general and keep himself in the zone....but as a fan I'd love to see them record rather than do anything else....in the studio there will be none of the "maybe it wont work that night" factor...and it would create something new and timeless that's eventually far more valuable than a boot of a new show would be. But that won't happen!

Bono wrote:

I've always gotten the psuedo intellect vibe from Axl.   I'm not saying Axl's a dummy but I just dont' but this "extremely intelligent" thing that others seem to think. And given his history of how things have been dealt with I can't help but think the guy is just of average intelligence who happens to have money and  be in a position of authority surrounded by a lot of "yes men"

I dunno.. to me the way things go down in GNR land makes me wonder if he's one of those people who's insane-smart. Like in straight intelligence IQ he'd get a seriously good result, but then fails at lots of normal regular things. I have several friends like that - can't cross the street but can do advanced math, or they can write amazing things but burn down their own house because they didn't consider it was a bad idea to leave 1000 candles on while going to the movies. That sort of thing.

I guess i think in his interviews I see a person who is highly measured and analytical and particular about his meanings, and then I listen to his lyrics and for the most part I see them as quite sophisticated articticly. Sure there's the rant songs or whatever...but there's also a deep thinking and really facinating perspective that runs through GNR works...and to me it's only something that an intelligent person would write.

So to me, he's a very smart man - who also has an emotional side that causes him to sometimes act in ways that make it seem like he isn't.

But of course I don't know him...that's just what i percieve from his music and his interviews.

madagas wrote:

Matt and Dizzy had ZERO writing credits on the Illusions...the definition of hired hands. Original 5.....that is all.

Yeah but they played on the albums and toured with the band when they were at its peak.  I'd give you Gilby Clarke as a hired hand, but I don't hold Matt and Dizzy in that same regard. 

Again, I could see it going any way.  But if I had to rank it, it'd be the original 5, Dizzy would be in the 6 spot, Matt 7th, and Gilby 8th.  Tommy comes in at number 9.  Actually now that I think about it, Tommy and others might factor in higher than Gilby.  Not Matt and Dizzy though.

russtcb wrote:

I really feel like this might be a "low ticket sales" cancellation.

This

Nobody bought tix. Or not enough. Stay tuned for more of these situations in the future.

Not trying to be negative, because it's a great show to see, but it's currently way overbooked right now. I'm hoping west coast fans don't lose out a THIRD time. Lofton just might stage a riot himself.