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#621 Re: Guns N' Roses » November 15 - Chicago, IL - Allstate Arena » 710 weeks ago
I hear you, I was just expecting a bit of a train wreck because everyone has been talking about how YCBM is his worst song these days. Well, maybe it is, but it still doesn't sound half bad to me.
I think it depends on whether you think it is essential that he sings that song with a raspy vocal tone or not. I don't, and therefore think this version of the song sounds good. I loved that scream at the end, it made me think of the video for the song 
Ali
#622 Re: Guns N' Roses » November 17th IZOD Center, New Jersey » 710 weeks ago
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ … w-20111118
RS was at the show last night and gave a nice review.
Ali
#623 Re: Guns N' Roses » That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion » 710 weeks ago
Sure it does. It immediately makes you wrong.
You're arguing a set definition that has existed for YEARS on these boards.
That's like me saying the definition of "Being Hurt" = "Pain", then you telling me -- that's your opinion.
Okay man, whatev...
No, that's just your arrogance and intolerance for a differing view rearing its ugly head.
You quoted a post that made no mention of 2001 or 2002. You put words in my mouth based on an incorrect assumption that I was speaking the same language as you. And then rather than admit you put words in my mouth, you arrogantly stated that I "misspoke" or was "wrong" 
Your analogy is complete and utter horse shit, too. Your talking about dictionary definitions of words vs. an undefined colloquialism used in a very small group.
Damn, I thought a tolerance for differing opinions is what made this place different from what people criticize HTGH for. I guess not. What this example shows is that "gang mentality" that if you don't speak the language and share the same viewpoints as the rest of us - you are wrong.
Ali
#624 Re: Guns N' Roses » That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion » 710 weeks ago
Thanks SG...
"Clean vocals" = 2002
Always has
To you. News flash: not everyone views things like you. Not sharing your interpretation or view of things doesn't make you right and others wrong. Nor does not sharing your definition of certain terms, e.g."clean vocals", make you right and me wrong or in the position of "misspeaking".
Ali
#625 Re: Guns N' Roses » That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion » 710 weeks ago
Ali, that style for which he sings the song in 2011, is very similar to 2002.. Rasp was 2006. Non rasp is 02 or certain songs on this tour. Got it?
Good for both of you if you think that. I personally think that while the tone is similar to 2002 in terms of being clean, I think his voice sounds much stronger than it did in 2002. Regardless, that had nothing to do with the comment that he responded to and quoted. I clearly said "how he sounds now". Your interpretation is that is the same thing as how he sounded in 2002. That's not how I view and it's not what I said. I don't share your viewpoint, got that?
Ali
#626 Re: Guns N' Roses » That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion » 710 weeks ago
Ali wrote:Axlin08 wrote:misterID wrote:I absolutely hate HATE HATE Axl's Mickey Mouse voice and he's using it again, especially on LALD. Look at this this from 06:
Until he stops using the Mickey Mouse voice from 02, 2006 is still head and shoulders above this current tour, at least where Axl's voice is concerned.
Smoking Guns wrote:That 2006 version blows away current version. Wow.... He sounds so weak now on that song.
Totally agree. LALD was one of the songs that I turned to my group immediately when their faces kinda cringed, and said "it was better in 2006".
And I stand by that. LALD sounded alot better when I heard him in 2006. YCBM also, which he had the Mickey Mouse voice on in 2011.
The rest though was either 2006, but mostly 1991. He was kicking ass.
madagas wrote:Speaking of Robin, my wife met his dad the other day. Robin's dad says Axl was a jerk....that's all she got out of him.
And from what I saw from 2001-2007, Robin was pretty much a jerk. Not being defensive, but the guy was horrible with fans and with audiences.
Real weird guy. Never understood the fan fare, especially with how he behaved. Then again the same exact thing could be said about Axl.
Interesting stuff tho. Not surprising, but interesting.
And no one, including us, the GN'R fans across the world, music lovers, and professional vocalists can understand how you can think 2001-02 Axl sounds "good".
I mentioned all of those people because i've played GN'R boots to every single one of them, and they ripped Axl's soul apart when they heard his "clean" voice.
You're entitled to your opinion, but it's certaintly not a popular one.
I didn't say 2001-2002 did I? I said "now".
Ali
No you said "clean" vocal, which universally means 2001-02 to everyone in the GN'R community. Everyone.
Except you apparently. So I didn't confuse anything you said... you misspoke.
misterID wrote:Ali:
I think Axl's 2006 voice blows 2010-11 out of the water. Again, it's all personal taste.
And it's not having a short term memory when the guy explained why he goes on late 20 years ago. You can't blame not knowing that quote on short term anything
There were several reason's Robin left. One was he was tired of waiting around and CD wasn't getting released. Pretty understandable. Another had something to do with being pissed off at the songs leaking. I still don't understand that.
Plus the fact that Robin blamed Axl that the only reason the leaks had any merit or interest in certain parties to leak it was because Axl continued and continued and continued to NOT release the album which drove up interest to steal and leak the music.
Robin blamed Axl for that I guarantee you.
Axl cost Robin money.
And I feel Robin is totally correct in that respect to have been pissed.
No I didn't misspeak. You put words into my mouth. Not the same thing. I specifically said "how he sounds now". Now means 2011 and not 2001-2002 does it not? So, you DID completely misread what I wrote...and you just did it again 
Ali
#627 Re: Guns N' Roses » That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion » 710 weeks ago
Ali:
I think Axl's 2006 voice blows 2010-11 out of the water. Again, it's all personal taste.
And it's not having a short term memory when the guy explained why he goes on late 20 years ago. You can't blame not knowing that quote on short term anything
There were several reason's Robin left. One was he was tired of waiting around and CD wasn't getting released. Pretty understandable. Another had something to do with being pissed off at the songs leaking. I still don't understand that.
You're right. It is a matter of personal taste. While I can understand the appeal of the raspy tone, especially on some of more aggressive songs, I have always liked a cleaner tone, like Geoff Tate, Bruce Dickinson and James LaBrie have. Not that Axl's tone is quite like theirs, but just that is part of the appeal of their voices to me - that cleaner tone.
Ali
#628 Re: Guns N' Roses » That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion » 710 weeks ago
misterID wrote:I absolutely hate HATE HATE Axl's Mickey Mouse voice and he's using it again, especially on LALD. Look at this this from 06:
Until he stops using the Mickey Mouse voice from 02, 2006 is still head and shoulders above this current tour, at least where Axl's voice is concerned.
Smoking Guns wrote:That 2006 version blows away current version. Wow.... He sounds so weak now on that song.
Totally agree. LALD was one of the songs that I turned to my group immediately when their faces kinda cringed, and said "it was better in 2006".
And I stand by that. LALD sounded alot better when I heard him in 2006. YCBM also, which he had the Mickey Mouse voice on in 2011.
The rest though was either 2006, but mostly 1991. He was kicking ass.
madagas wrote:Speaking of Robin, my wife met his dad the other day. Robin's dad says Axl was a jerk....that's all she got out of him.
And from what I saw from 2001-2007, Robin was pretty much a jerk. Not being defensive, but the guy was horrible with fans and with audiences.
Real weird guy. Never understood the fan fare, especially with how he behaved. Then again the same exact thing could be said about Axl.
Interesting stuff tho. Not surprising, but interesting.
Ali wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:That 2006 version blows away current version. Wow.... He sounds so weak now on that song.
Apart from a preference for a raspy tone, I don't understand how someone can listen to that and think it's so much better than how he sounds now on that song.
Ali
And no one, including us, the GN'R fans across the world, music lovers, and professional vocalists can understand how you can think 2001-02 Axl sounds "good".
I mentioned all of those people because i've played GN'R boots to every single one of them, and they ripped Axl's soul apart when they heard his "clean" voice.
You're entitled to your opinion, but it's certaintly not a popular one.
I didn't say 2001-2002 did I? I said "now".
Ali
#629 Re: Guns N' Roses » That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion » 710 weeks ago
madagas wrote:Speaking of Robin, my wife met his dad the other day. Robin's dad says Axl was a jerk....that's all she got out of him.
Jamester and MSL can probably elaborate more, but according to the MSL stuff Robin was pretty upset when he left.
Well, I don't trust MSL's interpretation or spin on things because of what Jamester said about the Beta e-mail on how to "trick" Axl, and how it was spun. But, other than Jamester saying the other day that Robin wasn't getting paid and left, I don't recall any other information being put out there.
Ali
#630 Re: Guns N' Roses » That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion » 710 weeks ago
That 2006 version blows away current version. Wow.... He sounds so weak now on that song.
Apart from a preference for a raspy tone, I don't understand how someone can listen to that and think it's so much better than how he sounds now on that song.
Ali
