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#641 Re: Guns N' Roses » RUMOR: GN'R Planning SA tour around RIR » 743 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:war wrote:dave, it must be so difficult responding to others' posts when you have all the different tones coming your way; sarcaasm, dislike, humor, etc.
I don't know how you do it.
if you don't single handedly restore integrity and harmony to this thread you will be a failure.
Its because they cannot refute what I am saying because they know i am right, so they have to joke or be sarcastic about it.
That is the problem with people not debating the topic at hand.
Like I said, no one can dispute tones of people on these boards were claiming CD was going to be a huge success and "save rock"
it doesnt mean everyone was saying it but a good majority of the people were, the fact that there are mostly newbies on these boards now who were not here back in 98-2005 shouldnt be comementing on it because they were not here, so how would they know?
Anyone who defends Axl at this point is living in Jarmoland.
So I'll ask again (3rd time);
How is expectations that you or anyone else put on the album, the responsibility of Guns N' Roses?
Because Axl is using the name guns n roses, fans expect the album to be of quality of the name its under.
You really dont think if Mick Jaggars solo albums were under the name rolling stones that those fans would not expect his albums to be of RS quaility?
#642 Re: Guns N' Roses » RUMOR: GN'R Planning SA tour around RIR » 743 weeks ago
Dave, as an artist, Axl would have been WAY better off-would have allowed him much more artistic freedom. I can't decide on the business side of things. It cuts both ways. He makes a little more money from touring and merchandise by keeping the name. However, in the long run, he has damaged the brand a bit. The legacy of the band and Axl's own legacy, if Axl would have ended it when Slash left, would be absolutely immaculate right now. It's strong anyway, but the Chinese Debacle hurt a bit. Hindsight is 20/20.
and ps....I think Chinese would have been much better received as an Axl solo record.
I agree, but he could have toured under Axl Rose of guns n roses or something like that and still kind of had the brand name for touring. And if he did release the cd under just Axl, I agree it would have been better recieved because everyone would not have expected it to compete with guns n roses albums.
#643 Re: Guns N' Roses » RUMOR: GN'R Planning SA tour around RIR » 743 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:he has to live with the expectations that go with keeping the name.
to be honest i still dont know why he just didnt do the "Axl Rose Band" thing would've made more sense (to me at least) ... though i guess that things just kinda happened that way ... maybe the intent was there to continue as GnR after Slash left .... i mean there was still Axl, Duff, Matt and Dizzy then they signed the contract extension with Geffen but over time Duff and Matt left and then it wasnt looking at all like the same band anymore...maybe axl didnt have the $$$ to pay back the advance so he decided to continue as GnR ... we really have no idea as to the thought process that went through Axl's mind as to why he insisted to keep the GnR name alive (albiet in stasis for the majority of the past 15 or so years)...and unless he relases a book (and maybe not even then) i doubt if we ever will know
Its simple, interscope would not have shelled out $15m for the Axl Rose band, and hell CD would have flopped even more if it was called the Axl Rose band.
Axl would have had less pressure as well if it was called the Axl Rose band, maybe it would have came out sooner, but the pressure to live up to the old band was too much and that is what CD was such a clusterfuck.
Also, bestbuy never would have shelled out $15m for an exclusive for CD if it was called just the Axl Rose band.
But the real question is, would Axl have been better off if this band was not called guns n roses.
#644 Re: Guns N' Roses » RUMOR: GN'R Planning SA tour around RIR » 743 weeks ago
dave, it must be so difficult responding to others' posts when you have all the different tones coming your way; sarcaasm, dislike, humor, etc.
I don't know how you do it.
if you don't single handedly restore integrity and harmony to this thread you will be a failure.
Its because they cannot refute what I am saying because they know i am right, so they have to joke or be sarcastic about it.
That is the problem with people not debating the topic at hand.
Like I said, no one can dispute tones of people on these boards were claiming CD was going to be a huge success and "save rock"
it doesnt mean everyone was saying it but a good majority of the people were, the fact that there are mostly newbies on these boards now who were not here back in 98-2005 shouldnt be comementing on it because they were not here, so how would they know?
Anyone who defends Axl at this point is living in Jarmoland.
#645 Re: Guns N' Roses » QUEEN Guitarist: 'People Think Of AXL ROSE As Difficult But He Was Alw » 743 weeks ago
i totally feel where you are coming from on that matter Dave, and i have championed that sentiment in the past, but I've come to the realization recently it doesnt matter who is/was in the band at that time ... CD was never going to have a whole song done in one take, i dont know if Axl will ever release a song like that again for that matter...he likes to tinker and tweak shit too much...and its not just him there are alot of bands anymore that need the "perfect take" but some of the best tunes ever have flawed portions that give them that extra authenticity and x factor quality
I agree and that is why I think songs like IRS for example, sound way better live than the studio version, because they are playing it in one take basically.
#646 Re: Guns N' Roses » QUEEN Guitarist: 'People Think Of AXL ROSE As Difficult But He Was Alw » 743 weeks ago
CD would have been way better if just BH and Robin were on it, and did all their guitar parts in one take. There were not need for any more guitarist than Robin and Bucket
#647 Re: Guns N' Roses » RUMOR: GN'R Planning SA tour around RIR » 743 weeks ago
DCK wrote:Jesus fucking christ what a sorry-ass thread this became.
Are you serious? This thread was ALL TIME man.
I can't remember the last time I read a thread that was so hilarious. I had tears in my eyes laughing at every single one of Dave's posts.
"CD was going to save rock n' roll" (i'm laughing my ass off while I type it)
Aww, poor Dave man, dude... seriously homie, I feel bad for you. You must've really believed that throughout the 2000's. I remember people saying that stuff back in like 2003 and me then jumping on their ass and saying "let's be realistic here". CD was NEVER going to save rock n' roll - ever.
I think it was David Wild of Rolling Stone that said that a new rebuilt Guns N' Roses album could've had that effect ("saving rock n' roll") back in the late 90's, had it been released in 1999, but that Axl had waited too long, and what was relevant when Axl recorded it had changed so much over time, that the album was far too dated already to connect. This was in 2004 - it still took another four years to come out. As much as I love Madagascar, it was SO 1998.
So let me get this straight, you agree with me that people back in the day were claiming CD would save rock, so what is your point again?
#648 Re: Guns N' Roses » QUEEN Guitarist: 'People Think Of AXL ROSE As Difficult But He Was Alw » 743 weeks ago
Well when Robin left in 1998 he did say there were not many songs finished and just a bunch of ideas. It seemed like Axl just took a bunch of random guitar parts and made them into a song. That is why better for example sounds like two different songs, the poppy part that is most of the song and that metal part in the middle.
Thats probably why it took so long because he must have had thousands of ideas or takes down, and he just copied and pasted them together to make songs
#649 Re: Guns N' Roses » QUEEN Guitarist: 'People Think Of AXL ROSE As Difficult But He Was Alw » 743 weeks ago
You should also check out the isolated track of scrapped esp the the last solo.
Its all cut and pasted together as well.
As for CITR< i have been saying for years the album version does not compare with the CD version.
CD is a huge disjointed mess, and all you have to do is listen to othe guitar versions of the songs.
What Axl should have done is after he cut and pasted all the guitar work together is have the band play that version of the song to make it flow better.
You can even tell by his scrapped vocals that they rae just copy and pasted together, hell even sentences are copied and pasted together, where you can tell it was two or more takes spliced together FOR ONE LINE OF LYRIC.
#650 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy now $1.99 » 743 weeks ago
faldor wrote:I just did a quick check on Best Buy's website for top sellers. No surprise that "Chinese Democracy" is their top selling CD for all titles under $3.99. Again, I wasn't aware they had so many CD's for so cheap. "The Best Of Great White" also checks in at $1.99. Bad Company "The Hits" is $0.99.
Anyhow, CD checks in at #20 overall on their site. So apparently the sale is helping some, though from what I can tell the sale isn't being promoted in store. No surprise there. Promotion hasn't really been a strong suit in relation to this album.
Also, the "Chinese Democracy" LP tops the overall list of top sellers beating out "Abbey Road", "Dark Side of the Moon", and "Thriller". Russ has certainly done his part on that front.
I'm beginning to think that ALL of the US copies have the inner groove distortion. It's so disheartening.
I listened to one yesterday where the entire left channel on the first half of the title cut was missing. How the fuck does that happen??
The same way the artwork and liner notes was screwed up.
The album was a rush job
