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#651 The Sunset Strip » Marilyn Manson "Heaven Upside Down" - September 29th » 418 weeks ago

esoterica
Replies: 12

Heaven_Upside_Down_Album_Cover.jpg

Release Date:
October 6th

Produced By:
Marilyn Manson, Tyler Bates

Tracklist:
1. Revelation #12
2. Tattooed In Reverse
3. WE KNOW WHERE YOU FUCKING LIVE
4. SAY10
5. KILL4ME
6. Saturnalia
7. JE$U$ CRI$I$
8. Blood Honey
9. Heaven Upside Down
10. Threats of Romance

About The Album:

Manson has said that the album is "not very much in any way like The Pale Emperor.

The people who have heard the new songs said it reminded them of their favorite parts of Antichrist Superstar and Mechanical Animals—but with a new, different approach. It's pretty violent in its nature for some reason, and it's not emotional in the same way. It's got a chip on its shoulder.

Manson has described it as "by far the most thematic and over-complicated thing that I've done",[13] and has said it contains some of his most politically charged lyrics.

Single:
"SAY10"
"We Know Where You Fucking Live", Tuesday, September 10th.

Tour:

September 27 - Silver Spring, MD @ The Fillmore Silver Spring
September 29 - Pittsburgh, PA @ Stage AE
September 30 - New York, NY @ Hammerstein Ballroom

October 2 - Boston, MA @ House of Blues
October 3 - Huntington, NY @ The Paramount
October 5 - Toronto, ON @ Rebel
October 8 - Columbus, OH @ Express Live!
October 10 - Chicago, IL @ Riviera Theatre
October 11 - Milwaukee, WI @ Eagles Ballroom
October 17 - Tulsa, OK @ Brady Theater
October 19 - Denver, CO @ Fillmore Auditorium
October 20 - Salt Lake City, UT @ The Complex
October 23 - Oakland, CA @ Fox Theater
October 27 & 28 - Las Vegas, NV @ House of Blues

Source: http://www.marilynmanson.com/#tour

Changelog:

9/11/17:

  • "We Know Where You Fucking Live" single released today at 9am PT / 12pm EST

  • The underwhelming Album Cover artwork was added to the original post.

  • Release date is October 6th not previously rumored September 29th

  • Tracklist added

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I loved The Pale Emperor but this doesn't sound great to me. I will gladly listen however.

#652 The Sunset Strip » Michael Jackson "Scream" - September 29th » 418 weeks ago

esoterica
Replies: 16

New album out September 29th




Very strange considering the music in the Twitter video is from "Blood On The Dance Floor" and "Ghosts" from his 1997 album Blood On The Dance Floor: HIStory In The Mix and it's namesake from the first track from 1995's HIStory.

I wonder if this is just a compilation of his "spooky" songs like Thriller, Threatened, Ghosts, et. al.

#653 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Tour Dates Added » 418 weeks ago

The momentum has trended in the wrong direction and has exacerbated fan unrest.

Axl joining AC/DC and performing great kicked it off, those videos were a powder keg, and the fashion boutique cross-brand synergy $5000 leather jacket event thanks to Fernando was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I think people thought Axl and Slash and a mountain of money meant some sort of forward momentum for Guns N' Roses. Finally. The real band is back. Not necessarily new music but more than an ethos of "let's just fulfill the contract and then go back to solo projects".

The whole thing started with great foreplay but looks to end with an unsatisfying completion.

#654 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Tour Dates Added » 418 weeks ago

I don't expect anything from Axl.

I was cautioning others to not expect anything besides new tour dates when those videos were teased.

But when you gripe about things not going your way for years, say everything will be explained one day, and then do an about-face on new music for the reunion, well people get rightly annoyed.

Everything is going Axl's way right now. And they can't even be fucked with to put out a properly written press release or release promotional videos that don't mess with their fans heads. This isn't just hardcores mind you. Every blog comments section says the same thing: "Great! Millionaires! How about new music?" or "The tickets are so expensive!"

You can use fan's energy for your own interests. Or you can do what Guns has done since 2001. Passive-aggressive or aggressive antagonism.

Pitiful.

#655 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Tour Dates Added » 418 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

I think a lot of us gave it a pass because they had waited for Axl and Slash to reunite most of their lives, and also because it sounds good compared to 2012-2013 era Axl which was his absolute low point.

To me it has highs and lows. There's enough problems that I can't forget them and I can't think of it as the best modern shows, but there's also enough great bits that I don't send it to the Ashba bin either.

I think Axl cared very much between 2009-2010 and the performances show. He is on his game and the band follows suit. I am not a fan of either Ashba or Frank in the least but they showed up to play. It's only after repeated instances of slobbishness from The General and The General that the band followed suit.

misterID wrote:

In fact, he seems more rejuvenated than I've seen him since 2001. He actually looks happy out there. The exact opposite of what he's like when he's forced out on the road or to show up for a show. He's not late, he's not ranting, he's not punishing anyone for his bad mood and he isn't coasting. He's actually fronting two bands. That's pretty cool.

misterID wrote:

I'll be really surprised if there isn't something new at some point, but you guys should know better than to schedule things you think they should do by a certain date in your heads and get pissed when it doesn't happen. Logic doesn't apply.

The problem is Guns N' Roses makes virtues out of vices. I cannot think of another band that has a fanbase that uses their own personal decoder rings to ascertain what is going on with the band or is forced to digest as much shoveled shit on a regular basis. It is truly pitiful.

I think it was entirely unreasonable to expect much for most of 2016 given the behind the scenes drama. The key term here is behind the scenes. Which we still, admittedly, know very little about, and only know because we're hardcore fans. It was clear to anyone paying attention that it was a cash grab nostalgia tour. Okay, fine. Go make your money. But there was still lots of covers, little rotation in the setlist, and so forth. Again, I can't think of another band that has the same problem. Some bands talk out setlist during the flight over. Some jam things out during soundcheck. Cool, let's try this. Guns wasn't always this boring. I don't need to tell you this.

Let's put aside gripes about the show and expectations. The Nightrain membership has been garbage for years. Making two videos announcing another leg of your tour is misleading. Announcing a fashion event to celebrate AFD is laughable. Axl said something about taking business classes. This is Business 101 stuff. Basic Public Relations. Basic... decency.

As somewhat of an aside, some years ago I bought a paperback textbook. I read that fucker every night and a couple months in, the binding fell completely apart. This was a book from a big publisher, mind you. The guy who wrote the book had a Contact option on the book's website. I emailed him explaining the situation and asked how we can get this figured out. I included a line about how I had been lusting after the hardcover copy and if there was any way I could get a credit on the paperback and use that towards a hardcover copy. You know what this guy did? He overnighted me a hardcover copy free of charge. This is the author answering things from his personal email. He made it happen. Compare that with the horseshit mickey mouse fuckery Axl has been pulling for two decades.

misterID wrote:

You guys can be real downers, man, especially when you try to top yourselves on who can be more doom & gloomier than anyone else.

Nonsense.

I think I'm a pretty even headed poster. I try to explore things through the different angles before making a judgment. But no matter how you slice it, Guns N' Roses is a poorly run band that treats it's fans like dogs at the feet of their masters.

Who wants to be in a relationship like that? Who wants to invest their time and money with a business with a "ehhh, wait and see..." approach? Do you buy stock in companies that are offloading shares?

Either you're growing or you're dying and Guns N' Roses, my friend, is deeaaaaaaaad.

#656 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Tour Dates Added » 418 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

It is amusing. Who'd have thought a year & a half ago when this unforeseen reunion tour started by the end of the following summer we'd be saying Axl cares more about singing in ACDC than Guns.

It's not really surprising, unfortunately.

The whole operation was tenuous to begin with. The Coachella gig was largely booked against Axl's will. He was done.

But the lure big money remained compelling. So you get a conservative, corporate run tour designed to feed hungry fans the serving of nostalgia they'd been craving for years. The Troubadour showcase is the rub on the belly everyone needs to feel pretty again. The first leg only seemed to congeal around the time the New York dates were selling like hotcakes. The second leg, an encore showing, is an admonishment to keep striking while the iron is hot.

But Axl himself had been long bored. The phoned in shows of 2012-2014, also heavy with covers, are the latest evidence of this. The rerecording perhaps the earliest. So it's not time to make a change, sit back, and take it easy. Rake in that money. Then go front one of your favorite bands of all time, allowing you to sing a new set of songs to your hearts content. Low risk, high reward, and easy money to get your rocks off.

And then after that? Well maybe we'll start taking a serious look at what we're doing in that regard.

#657 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Tour Dates Added » 418 weeks ago

AC/DC is easier to sing.

The entire discography has the same stop-and-go structure and sing-songy choruses. Lower register, amplified speaking voice to a louder shout. Easy to sustain throughout a show. Axl can do It's So Easy, Brownstone, and Chinese just fine for the same reasons.

Go check out "You Shook Me All Night Long" and other such songs. Same Mickey pitch, no rasp, inability to sustain the notes.

He clearly cares more about AC/DC. He has something to prove. Just like he did in 2006 and 2009.

I don't care, really. I've emotionally divested myself from GNR.

#658 Re: The Garden » Ric Flair in critical condition » 418 weeks ago

This shit is too funny.




Only in the wrestling world would a guy on death's door come out of it to cut a promo AND drop new merch.

Insane.

#659 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Creative Crisis of Guns N' Roses » 419 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

Once the 2002 implosion happened, he should've walked away from Chinese. It was quickly becoming an albatross. Its saga defined the second half of his career.  Its not worthy of such distinction. While it may come across like a bad dream now....it shouldn't be the swan song of his discography.

If Axl wanted his career and the "Chinese Democracy" project to survive, he should've decoupled it from the Guns N' Roses brand.

The problem is he like all the greats are filled with objectively delusional self-belief and cut-throat ambition. It's how they can get to such great heights in the first place and what allows them to survive and overcome grueling stretches of touring and mental and physical anguish. Axl also lacks any sort of formal training in professional matters and even consistently told the professionals to go fuck themselves.

So going along with your premise, if he walks away from his two album opus, a near miraculous event, where does he walk to? Back to a label that had already lost interest, to his arthouse band comporting to be one of the biggest bands in history, or to the public with record lows of popularity?

The only thing he could walk back to is right where he came from.

In the end, it was doomed from the start.

#660 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Tour Dates Added » 419 weeks ago

I think someone who Axl trusts got through to him. It's like he finally accepted the "you're Axl fucking Rose" sentiment that so many had tried to reach him with for so long. You have to think that Angus probably talked some sense into him.

The AC/DC, Billy Joel, what have yous seemed something like Axl rebuilding his personal legacy in my view and less so bucket list items although it could very well be.

It's a US Tour right now but if they were across the pond, I'd say get Brian on Catcher for the sake of justice and Jeff Lynne onstage for Axl.

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