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#651 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rosario, Argentina - Salon Metropolitano (October 10, 2011) » 715 weeks ago
Axlin08 wrote:John gets it.
I went to two back to back shows in 2006 and got identical setlists. As cool as the shows were, the lack of song changes really irriatated me, because it was lazy.
They didn't even have to do anything special, but maybe swap out CD on one show for Madagascar or Out Ta Get Me for Rocket Queen. Something like that.
Instead they did the exact same show. Had absolutely nothing to do with modern technology. It was a bummer to see IDENTICAL shows, that to this day because of identical setlists, I could not tell performances of the songs apart if someone had a loaded shotgun pointed at my nutsack.
I don't agree that it's because they're lazy.
It's more about giving the majority what they come for and throwing in some "new" songs for us diehards. And even giving into fans that have been screaming for Estranged for many years now!If 2006 is the last time you saw them, you'll most likely get plenty of songs you haven't seen live yet.
Sounds to me like you're 90% satisfied with the setlist, since all you crave is that they swap a song or two. So if you're going to more than 1 show this time around, let's cross our fingers for you!
It has nothing to do with laziness. What seems to be forgotten is that not everyone will go to multiple shows or back to back shows. Some people will only go to one show. And for those people, it may be irritating to swap out a more popular song, like "Live and Let Die" for an album track that is more obscure off the UYIs or CD or even a new song. There is no perfect solution, really. No way to appease everyone and all perspectives.
Ali
#652 Re: Guns N' Roses » to clear the air » 716 weeks ago
neemo - i was disappointed to see people taking cheap shots at you. in all the message boards i have ever visited, you have always been one of the coolest, fair-minded posters i have seen.
i've expressed my views about this board before. while its great that you can say anything, a number of posters just turn it into very boring board. and to see people giving you (of all people) shit for your opinions, well, it kinda solidified my opinion of this place. and it sure seemed contradictory to what this board represents itself as.
I agree with a lot of what Sandman says. Actually ALL of it.
Neemo, there is something wrong when you feel like you have to make a post like this to defend yourself for merely having a respectful, differing opinion from the majority. That is just plain fucked up.
Ali
#653 Re: Guns N' Roses » Santiago, Chile - October 5, 2011 » 716 weeks ago
Ali wrote:What happened? I thought this place was supposed to be where more civilized, respectful discussion was supposed to happen? Doesn't seem like it this last day at least.
yeah i dunno if it seems that you dont have something bad to say that you are on the outs around here, didnt you know that you are not allowed to see anythign remotely positive about anythign "except about estranged"
maybe we should change our tune Ali...say it with me now
"GNR IS OVER, GNR IS OVER"
btw i havent watched any of this gig...and i'm not gonna, so dont even ask...last time my review went over like a burning bag of dog shit
Yeah, no disrespect to you or Russ or Faldor or madagas or misterID or a lot of other posters here, as clearly there are a lot of people who can post differing opinions without it degenerating into childish name-calling, but just the last day was an eye-opener. Taking a potshot at someone for thinking Bucket is a better player than Slash and that some of his solos, in particular the TWAT solo, is up there with anything Slash did with GN'R was....interesting.
The fact that you feel you can't or don't want to post a reaction to some of the videos of the Chile show says quite a bit, none of it good.
By the way, I think that in his prime, Geoff Tate of Queensryche was a better singer than Axl. Am I now anti-Axl (albeit in subtle way)? 
Ali
#654 Re: Guns N' Roses » Santiago, Chile - October 5, 2011 » 716 weeks ago
Ali wrote:Let's see if it affects US tour ticket sales, like you claim.
Ali
How in the world would one prove a correlation one way or the other?
See my previous post. That's a very good point
Ali
#655 Re: Guns N' Roses » Santiago, Chile - October 5, 2011 » 716 weeks ago
Ali wrote:Bono wrote:Ummm... what's this? http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/amplif … is-volume/
very generous of them to include the best performance of the night and not throw up November Rain or Patience or YCBM etc etc etc,
That just came out today. That wasn't out when I made my statement originally. Let's see if it affects US tour ticket sales, like you claim.
Ali
No kidding Ali cause you made your statement mere hours after the show had ended and then scoffed at the idea that any "legit" or to your standards satisfactory media outlet would report it. And hell yes THIS will have an impact on ticket sales. You only need a brain to understand that. Are the people who don't post on Guns N' Roses forums gonna read that decide they dont' care to even bother then jump online cause they gotta report to Ali the specifics of why they chose not to purchase tickets?
My god how do you not understand that YES negative news articles will impact ticket sales just like a positive news article would. Hell I bought my tickets to the 2010 shows based off the 2009 boots I saw. Granted not a news article but the same type of deal. You think I'd be buying tickets based off the Rio footage I saw? Hell no. Positive word of mouth impacts sales in a positive way. Negative word of mouth impacts sales in a negative way. I never said anything about the tour going tits up because of it but I did say things like this will have an impact. It's called COMMON SENSE.
Did you get what I said to begin with? I mean at all? It doesn't seem so, based off this post. I NEVER disputed that word of mouth would affect ticket sales. NEVER, EVER. I said that for that to happen people would have to be AWARE of the Rio performance. GN'R performed the last night of the festival. The festival had already seen performances from the likes of Metallica, Katy Perry, and many, many more. There were no articles in the mainstream press that I saw (and I have a Google Alert for Metallica) that mentioned their performance. As of now, there is one article/blog post on GN'R's performance. That's it.
Admittedly, this article could affect some people's decision to buy tickets to the US tour. How you measure or quantify that is another question altogether.
Ali
#656 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Live From Rock In Rio » 716 weeks ago
Cramer wrote:The front page of Yahoo:
According to Ali that's not an 'mainstream' source, because it's not on Google.
Again, you don't get what I said at all. Regardless, I made my statement before ever seeing that.
Ali
#657 Re: Guns N' Roses » Santiago, Chile - October 5, 2011 » 716 weeks ago
Ali is not right. In 2011 major press coverage in the U.S. is Yahoo! News.
I love this total double fuckin' standard when it comes to modern age technology. When it's pro something, every fuckin Axlite would be hear talking about how a major news outlet on the internet (Yahoo!) said Axl ruled.
But yet, when they trash them, and rightfully so... every fuckin' apologist comes out of the woodwork to say how it doesn't mean anything. It's not real media coverage.
I made this exact same post in the Rio thread (or somewhere else) and it was completely and totally ignored.
Wonder why?
Because this mother fuckin' game is fixed here folks.
That's how the fanboys want it. Axl does no wrong ever. Well if he never does any wrong, all objectivity goes out the window. Because everything he does, including that runny shit he had last night after eating Chilian food, was great! That was a great shit! God damn does it stink, but it's a good stink! You rawk!
Damn, you missed the boat completely on what I said and what was meant completely.
And I love how some here have extended the use of the word troll to anyone who has differing viewpoints:laugh:
What happened? I thought this place was supposed to be where more civilized, respectful discussion was supposed to happen? Doesn't seem like it this last day at least.
Ali
#658 Re: Guns N' Roses » Santiago, Chile - October 5, 2011 » 716 weeks ago
Ali wrote:What in the hell are you talking about? I didn't backpeddle at all. I stated from the get go that the only way a poor Rio performance would affect US tour ticket sales was if a mainstream press outlet (US) covered the Rio festival. I went on to cite clear examples of that happening in 2001 when both MTV News and RS reviewed/covered GN'R's set. That hasn't happened here at all yet. The Aussie MTV site will clearly NOT be read by many people in the US. That's why it's the Aussie version of the site
Ali
Ummm... what's this? http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/amplif … is-volume/
very generous of them to include the best performance of the night and not throw up November Rain or Patience or YCBM etc etc etc,
That just came out today. That wasn't out when I made my statement originally. Let's see if it affects US tour ticket sales, like you claim.
Ali
#659 Re: Guns N' Roses » Santiago, Chile - October 5, 2011 » 716 weeks ago
Ali wrote:-D- wrote:Well... seeing how that tour ended.. one could say u were wrong cause it ended just how it started.
Umm, in case it wasn't obvious, I was talking about VOCAL PERFORMANCE.
Ali
His vocals were horrible in 2002.
Thanks for the input. That's YOUR opinion. Mine is different, which is why I said, "yes, I know that's my opinion."
Ali
#660 Re: Guns N' Roses » Santiago, Chile - October 5, 2011 » 716 weeks ago
Ali wrote:-D- wrote:Sorry.... this goes to something last night on HTGTH i just saw
Can you say overreaction to one bad show on the part of some people on these boards? Roll Eyes
Ali
I said how so?
How so? That one performance would necessarily be representative of ALL his performances. That Axl could not sing at all and that because of that one performance, he was done. That to me is an overreaction and taking one data point and incorrectly extrapolating it to be representative of something that it isn't. Like in 2002. The bad night at the VMAs were NOT representative of the entire US tour.
And, yes, I know that's my opinion. And none of that is to "excuse" how he performed at Rio
Ali
Well... seeing how that tour ended.. one could say u were wrong cause it ended just how it started.
Umm, in case it wasn't obvious, I was talking about VOCAL PERFORMANCE.
Ali
