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#61 Re: GN'R Downloads » [CD-R] Guns N' Roses @ Chinese Democracy "Alternative & Remix Version" » 86 weeks ago
I'd download this except for the fact Robin's solo is taken out of TIL on this one.
#62 Re: GN'R Downloads » Chinese Democracy (August 2001 edition) » 86 weeks ago
I'm interested in this. Anything with Robin and Bucket and I'm in.
#63 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
Anyway, i was listening to the old demos of HS, Absurd, Perhaps... And in my opinion they are really better than the final versions with Slash & Duff.
HS demo is much better, guitars, solos... With good mix It would be great. Finck solo on Perhaps plus the synths on them Bridge made the difference. And Absurd muuuuch better the older one. It's a shame.
I agree. It is a shame. Axl can make it right by releasing Robin's Perhaps on the Perhaps vinyl in December. Axl can make it right by releasing a Chinese Democracy BOX SET featuring everything Robin and Bucket ever recorded.
#64 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
Credit to D.. from MYGNR Beltrami got back to him, this is a quite revealing post, they were always different songs
Marco Beltrami was kind enough to answer me a second time, can't believe he's so kind and took the time, what a great guy! Sadly he doesn't remember Monsters former name. He does remember a song being quite long but unsure if it was The General or another one. But if it was, it's not The General we have, as apparently there was a longer song he worked on (but he's unsure whether that long song was The General back then, maybe it's Seven or another one we haven't heard).
Just to be clear, he did listen to the leaks, I wanted to make sure he understood and could compare with what he remembers, and what we have has been modified from when he worked on those, so I guess it's hard for him to properly remember specific former names. But he does recognize those two songs & his work, and they weren't a single song back then (just like we have a hard time understanding how they could form a single song, as it is). The instrumental part isn't meant to form a continuity between this version of The General, and this version of Monsters, both instrumental were specific creations of his. Each 8 songs he's worked on/arranged had a specific arrangement meant for a particular song.
So it almost confirms for me that Monsters is indeed Soul Monster. And 100% confirms that those "The General" and "Monsters" we have are different songs.
I hope this clarifies things for everyone, now I can only hope Axl will someday clarify more things for us, and 100% confirm this is Soul Monster.
Can't wait for December 8th. Considering the credits things stating "The General and Monsters" as a single song, not everyone agreeing it's Slash & Duff on both songs, we might be in for more surprises! In "worst case scenario", we'll have a better mix/audio quality.
Do you have quotes on who Beltrami thinks did the solos on The General and Monsters? That would put the issue to bed because he's an expert and a professional in the business.
#65 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
Sky Dog wrote:Only complaints I have are the ending shredding and yelping during the last 30 seconds of The General. The ending of Monsters is a bit hectic as well.
They don’t end like TWAT Coma Estranged NR etc….need to have that triumphant feel to make it in their catalog
Agree on the end of the General. It hurts my ears....literally hurts them
The General doesn't hurt my ears because I'm used to Robin's strident and piercing solos like Robin's strident and piercing solos on The General and Monsters. I know Slash fans and Slither fans are not used to this kind of sound and I can understand why it would hurt their ears. But that is the way Robin plays guitar. Strident and piercing.
#66 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Sky Dog wrote:Only complaints I have are the ending shredding and yelping during the last 30 seconds of The General. The ending of Monsters is a bit hectic as well.
All the re-records with Slash and Duff feel chopped up except Perhaps
The funny thing is no one at this point of all those songs really has a clue as to who did what. We know Chinese because the liner notes were pretty detailed. None of these songs have detailed about solos, piano, etc
I agree with this in the general sense. But many think so quick and so fast with pre-determined choices already made up in their minds it is Slash and Duff based off of them currently in the band and with the vinyl release in December. I don't have a pre-determined mind. I base what I think off the music I hear. I don't base it on other circumstances like the crowds. Based on the music I think it is Robin and Bucket on The General and Monsters. If I'm wrong I'm happy to have Slash, Duff, Fernando, Beta, and even Beltrami to come out and prove me wrong based on the evidence of the music and not with a pre-dispositioned bias.
#67 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
Don’t go under his bridge, fellas
If I'm wrong, then ask Slash and Duff on twitter who does the solos. Or ask Fernando.
#68 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
monsterscantkillme wrote:BLS-Pride wrote:Slash can't play at that level eh? Maybe take a nap and listen to some other music for a while. Settle down on the trolling too. Better for everyone.
Slash gives it a good effort. Don't get me wrong. Slash tried his best. Slash couldn't capture the greatness Robin achieved on Perhaps. Thay's why Perhaps would been a big hit on radio and on the rock singles charts if Perhaps with Robin Finck was the Perhaps officially released.
Are you that guy off youtube who goes on any video about Robin and curses Slash to high hell, & claims Axl stole his life?
No. I don't do YouTube. I used to do HTGTH. But I stopped when Jarmo started being a troll.
#69 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
I'm sorry, but if you think ANY of the CD tracks we've heard leaks of beforehand or Perhaps or Absurd or Hardskool are different vocal takes, I'm going to suggest you rethink that position.
Now, we do know there are ALTERNATE vocal takes (presumably recorded in the same general timeframe) for at least one song (TIL) and there are some SLIGHT variations on a few CD tracks that might be where alternate vocal take stuff had been inserted but I'm 'sorry' (lol, see what I did there?) - basically all the stuff we've listened to out of GNR in the last 15+ years was recorded closer to 25+ years ago, at least vocally. Obviously, you have stuff like 'Rock The Rock' that serve as an anomaly to this.. but, yeah.. I mean hell, even the original IRS leak played on Trunk's show so long ago was essentially the exact same vocals we got on the album.
I'm not suggesting, btw, that Axl hasn't been in the studio recently and recorded.. for all we know, they've recorded 10+ brand new tracks together - I'm just suggesting WE haven't heard any Rose vocals recorded post, let's say 2002 with the exception of what's on "Angel Down" and of course, the aforementioned 'Rock The Rock'.
We can only go by logic and what evidence we have - and thanks to the locker leaks we do have some decent evidence of vox matches to things we heard 'released' years after they were recorded.. just sayin'
Well, on the demo Axl sings hey hey different than he does on the other Perhaps. It's not a reverb effect. It's Axl going into the studio and singing the song over. The vocal ending of the demo is not the same as the vocal ending on the other Perhaps. It's two different and distinct recordings. Axl doesn't sing the ending of the demo like he does on the ending of the other Perhaps. Two different vocal endings. One of them is missing the Robin guitar ending on the demo. Axl sings Perhaps a different way than he does on the demo. I think this will be the case when the vinyl for The General/Monsters comes out. It'll be same lyrics but a more recent Axl singing them like with Perhaps. And with the guitar I assume Slash will sound different on the vinyl like he sounds different on Hard Skool, Perhaps, and Absurd. I think those others do the General and Monsters guitars but that isn't a bad thing. Having those others is what the Chinese Democracy fans have been waiting for. The official release is what the Use Your Illusions fans have been waiting for.
#70 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
monsterscantkillme wrote:dave-gnfnr wrote:Oh I think he is that troll who goes on every youtube video is talks about how good Robin is
Robin is good. If you don't think Robin is good, then I can't take what you think seriously.
I never said he wasn't. I have been defending Robin since 1999. I am just wondering if you are that troll who goes into every Gnr video and drones on and on about how good Robin is.
I have been one of Robins biggest supportes every since the RS GNR forum days
I don't go on YouTube. I used to post on HTGTH forum. But I didn't like Jarmo. if you're a big fan of Robin it boggles my mind why you can't hear Robin like I do on either The General or Monsters. If the vinyl pressing issue wasn't happening at the same time, would you think the same things? I think those are two separate issues and two different things. I think if I was wrong then the leaker who dropped the file links would have said "and oh by the way this is the Slash and Duff stuff." Or Slash or Duff on twitter would say "oh yeah that's me."
