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#711 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Tommy Stinson Thread » 722 weeks ago
Ali wrote:Mikkamakka wrote:Talking about the downloading mofos... When you act towards your fan base like Axl does, then don't be surprised if a lot of people who'd be interested in your music say 'fuck you' and either don't even give themselves (and you) the chance to like your new music, or simply download it. It's a lesson Axl should learn. He can dictate on the live shows, but every fan can dictate in front of his/her computer.
I'm sorry, but that is a pretty weak justification for someone, anyone, to use.
You haven't "treated" me well as a fan, so I'm going to download your music for free? What does that solve? Is that going to make Axl want to act differently towards the "fans"? I don't think so. Even if you do feel for some reason that Axl has personally wronged you as a fan, as the saying goes, two wrongs do not make a right.
Ali
Might not - but that's the way the world works.
When Metallica sued Napster, illegal downloads of Metallica albums - SKYROCKETED.
Good job Lars, you dumb ass.
I understand that's how things work. I'm just pointing out the irony in holding resentment towards someone for behaving in a way that is unfair or inconsiderate, and then going out and doing something that is against the law and will not, actually did not, really result in any meaningful change on Axl's part.
Ali
#712 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Tommy Stinson Thread » 722 weeks ago
Axlin08 wrote:I also think in 2011 (or 2008), like many of them, including Axl, Ron & Chris have all alluded to - you have to take into consideration... downloads. Illegal or legal. Today, that is a true measure of interest, and based on illegal downloads (including leaks), CD is probably a legendary album in rock.
As for Tommy, we kind of poo poo CD's album sales, because we're all old Gunners used to AFD, Lies & UYI "all fucking time"-type numbers... but for someone like Tommy... CD is probably the most album-successful thing he's ever done.
Did the Mats' or Soul Asylum ever go Gold? I don't think so.
Talking about the downloading mofos... When you act towards your fan base like Axl does, then don't be surprised if a lot of people who'd be interested in your music say 'fuck you' and either don't even give themselves (and you) the chance to like your new music, or simply download it. It's a lesson Axl should learn. He can dictate on the live shows, but every fan can dictate in front of his/her computer.
I'm sorry, but that is a pretty weak justification for someone, anyone, to use.
You haven't "treated" me well as a fan, so I'm going to download your music for free? What does that solve? Is that going to make Axl want to act differently towards the "fans"? I don't think so. Even if you do feel for some reason that Axl has personally wronged you as a fan, as the saying goes, two wrongs do not make a right.
Ali
#713 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl doesn't give a shit about his fans » 722 weeks ago
Some will say he doesn't care because of the late starts, lack of communication, etc. I could say that, as Axl himself said, if he didn't care, why would he give as much on stage as he does. Why would he want the best of himself from a creative standpoint.
I think the question isn't so much does Axl care about the fans as it is does Axl express his caring and concern for the fans in the ways the fans would like him to?
Ultimately, I don't care if Axl cares about me as a fan or not. He doesn't know me and will never know me, so nothing he does or doesn't do, can ever be a construed as a personal attack or grievance. The only thing that really matters to me is whether or not he cares about himself enough as an artist to demand and give the best of himself on stage and in the studio.
As a fan, that will net the best end result for me in terms of performances and released music.
Ali
#714 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rumored South American dates around RIR » 725 weeks ago
Upward? Really?
Yes, really. Towards RIR, possibly a US tour and whatever else the future may hold.
Ali
#715 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rumored South American dates around RIR » 726 weeks ago
madagas wrote:Richard Fortus
Yes, i will make all scheduled Gn'R shows. Trying to figure out my schedule with Thin Lizzy. Priority remains Guns n' Roses
18 minutes agofrom facebook....damn, I was really wanting some controversy to spark up the board. Oh well, back to our daily boring blather.
"Priority remains Guns N' Roses"
That's all I needed to hear
There we fucking go!
Onward and upward.
Ali
#716 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rumored South American dates around RIR » 726 weeks ago
Ali wrote:russtcb wrote:Him saying he'd like to be able to make more Lizzy shows is one thing. Him saying that he hopes GNR has a short run so he can get back to it is a whole different animal.
I understand what you're saying, but consider the fact that this came up during an interview with the Thin Lizzy guys. Honestly, would you say in front of the rest of the guys in one of the bands your playing in something that may indicate that you don't want to go back to playing with them or you'd rather play with your other band?
Ali
Were it me, I'd have said "We'll have to see what happens. Things with Guns are moving again in October and who knows what the future holds. I'd love to play with Thin Lizzy again though!"
I understand, Russ. That perhaps may have been the most prudent thing to say, but it's always easy to look back in hindsight and say what should've been said and how things should've been handled. It was a poor choice of words and poorly handled from a GN'R perspective, certainly. But, hindsight is always 20/20.
Ali
#717 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rumored South American dates around RIR » 726 weeks ago
Him saying he'd like to be able to make more Lizzy shows is one thing. Him saying that he hopes GNR has a short run so he can get back to it is a whole different animal.
I understand what you're saying, but consider the fact that this came up during an interview with the Thin Lizzy guys. Honestly, would you say in front of the rest of the guys in one of the bands your playing in something that may indicate that you don't want to go back to playing with them or you'd rather play with your other band?
Ali
#718 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rumored South American dates around RIR » 726 weeks ago
James Lofton wrote:Olorin wrote:“I certainly hope so,” said Fortus. “We (GNR) are doing some shows in October but hopefully I’ll be free and clear by January.”
It's time for this guy to get his walking papers.
Ding ding ding.
Give that man a prize.
I think you guys are overreacting. No offense and all, but I don't see what's wrong with him saying that he would like to be able to make the Lizzy shows in January.
Ali
#719 Re: Guns N' Roses » Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement" » 729 weeks ago
Aussie wrote:Unfortunately Axl is on a hiding to nothing come HOF time. If he doesn't show or refuses to play or interact with the original guys then that just makes him look like a cockhead (or confirms that status for those who already think he is one).
On the other hand if he does get up with the old guys in some capacity then how can it not have some type of negative impact for NuGNR and his plans there (if any), and their legitimacy.
It'd be career suicide. He'd come across as such an epic heel, he'd reach Casey Anthony territory.
Really man? Casey Anthony? C'mon dude. Not reuniting with old bandmates vs. being accused of murdering your own child? Yeah, just a wee bit different 
Ali
#720 Re: Guns N' Roses » Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement" » 729 weeks ago
second album talk has gone on since 2007 according to MSL docs (which I believe exist).....here is the Castanzo reference/rumor as well.
It would be a good time to release some of the details in those emails....especially the second album ones.
22. January 2007 Geffen Records contract for Second Album
48. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 1)
49. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 2)
99. January 2008 Axl email about which songs should be on second album
29. June 2010 Caram Castanzo email about bonus tracks & second album
26. January 2011 Caram Castanzo email complaining about back pay
No offense to you Madagas, but while I'll believe that MSL has something, I do not for one second trust him as far as what exactly he has and whether or not it is what he says it is. After what Jamester said about MSL spinning an e-mail from Beta on how best to approach Axl into how to "trick" Axl, I don't trust the descriptions of MSL's stolen e-mails.
Ali
