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#71 Re: The Garden » Wiki Leaks » 770 weeks ago

The war information I was partially in favor of leaking since a lot of abuses were committed and revealed, but the exposure of foreign policy documents like what just happened exposes next to zero corruption. Secrecy and corruption are different things, and I think you're a lot better off with the US's style of 'corruption' in dealing with foreign leaders than a lot of other powerful countries. Nothing from these recent leaks reveals anything surprising.

It revealed that America was storing illegal weaponry in britan with brittish consent.


The paypal and amazon thing is obviously not democracy, because private organizations choosing to cut ties with certain groups for image/PR reasons has nothing to do with government, and democracy is by definition a system of government.

Thats not what you implied in your first post. Good to see you being honest though.


The principles of majority-rule, one-man one-vote style policy process have no connection to whatever entities of the private sector are choosing to do. I'm not twisting. Twisting is whatever you have to do to make a company decision by Amazon to stop associating with Wikileaks into an attack against democracy.

Wow now your just taking huge risks hoping I'm not going to notice the mistakes in your logic.

So I'm twisiting this? I really do hope you misunderstood the initial post because if not, you are stooping lower than I would have thought possible.

Try take yourself out of the argument and look at the facts.



And please - tell me what my 'BS claims' are. What am I suggesting that is so preposterous and BS? Let alone dishonest.

That a man doing his utmost to improve the world should be tried for his "crimes". Misconstruing tracts of what I have writeen replacing it with a figment of your imagination and rhen attempting to disprove said figment. Thats BS.

First of all - I never called myself a patriot. How can you make such harsh claims about me when you have to assume so much to even set them up?

Much like your philosophy rants you seem unable to open up for even a second to an idea that doesn't immediately attach itself to you. You may be a master of the kiddie pool but the world isn't 3 feet deep.

Right okay. My philosophical method which has Liberated 6 peole in 4 months is childsplay... Right That's whats going on here. You are the glorius bringer of excellence, and the lives I have transformed mean nothing....

Okay...

And, if you'd taken a look at said philosophy, you'd understand Liberation from self does not mean an inability to wield mental concepts, quite the opposite.


Secondly, the Wikileaks leaks will do nothing to right the wrongs of our leaders, which are equally often errors by the way.

They're fallible too, although considering that you have already elevated yourself to near God-like status I can't say I'm surprised that you assume perfect execution of intention on the part of the faceless 'leaders' you're blasting.

Right dude. That shit's not going to fly. You black mouth my work again with your bullshit pseudo religious cocklology and this conversation is over. A man as weak as you without the backbone to even look into it, has no right to try sully the reputation of "me" or the people I have helped.

God-like status huh? Are you fucking insane? Drop the shit and engage the argument at hand . You want to talk bullshit like that about what I do, come talk to me on the arena and I'll tear you're little head off.

You give me an apology for this crap here and now in your next post and we continue to talk or you come to the arena and we debate my methodology there.

Stand up and show some back-bone here.

I don't argue with little girls or weak moral cowards. Make your choice.

And thirdly, what crimes did the recent leaks uncover?

illegal us weapons in Britain, covered this 3 times now

#72 Re: The Garden » Wiki Leaks » 770 weeks ago

No offense to your friend but this is a pretty poor article

No you're just attacking this because it's not your "belief".

If anything this man is helping your country by weeding out the corruption.

Is that what you want to live in a country built on corruption?

A country where this

is brushed under the carpet.

Take a good long look at that Video and ask yourself.

Are you an honest man? Can you call yourself an honest man if you do NOT support the truth??

No. No you cannot.


'IS THIS DEMOCRACY'? Really? What does democracy have to do with spying and publishing classified foreign policy information?

He's referring to pay pal and amazon pulling out on Julian but not on other criminals. THAT is not democracy. Why are you just twisting all of this to support your BS claims?

More of your corrupt dishonesty


Who would ever think that principles of transparency and honesty we espouse in laws like FOIA would ever apply to interactions between diplomats and foreign leaders. Of course foreign policy requires a degree of secrecy, and nothing the USA does is unique in that realm.

Don't talk shit. The laws may not be Unique the crimes they covdr up DEFINITELY are. But it's okay now. It's out this has begun and you can not stop this. The inevitable crawl of the truth to your doorstep.

You call yourself a patriot and make statements like this? You should be rallied around this man, who is trying to right the wrongs of your leaders to give you and your countrymen a better life.

You should be ashamed.

I'm not even reading the rest of your useless weak post, fuelling lies with apathy and a clinging to your won identity.

I look forward to your inevitable butt hurt karma swipe.

You'd do well to man up and take a look at the facts

#73 Re: The Garden » Epic journey of disaster » 770 weeks ago

@DCK there no need to gloat, and worse no need to blame a nation for the mistakes of their leaders in the middle of financial meltdown. Have fuckin heart and keep the national ego bs to  a minimum it's a one way road

#74 The Garden » Wiki Leaks » 770 weeks ago

Stepvhen
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This is Amazing stuff

This is an article by a good friend of mine. Ciaran Healy. You've might not have heard of him, please take a moment to have a look, get involved and help any way you can.


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Ok, let's just put the philosophy on hold for a minute.  Something big is happening.

Julian Assange is the founder and editor in chief of Wikileaks.  This is a picture of Julian Assange:




Wikileaks is basically a kind of anonymous drop box.  If you see something corrupt happening, you can post documents here anonymously.

WikiLeaks has been involved in the publication of material documenting extrajudicial killings in Kenya.

A report of toxic waste dumping on the African coast by the British company Transfigura that killed hundreds of people (a report they had successfully blocked publication of in the British media).

Church of Scientology manuals detailing their 'advanced techniques' of 'personal growth'.


Guantanamo Bay procedures detailing savage and inhumane treatment.

And the July 12, 2007 Baghdad airstrike video, where American helicopter pilots laughed and crowed as they murdered a group of innocent people - including two Reuters journalists - because they had decided that the cameras the journalists carried were rocket launchers.

Wikileaks is an incredible force for transparency and good.

Assange has been accused of rape.

These accusations surfaced one week after a previous release of 90 000 documents on Wikileaks which demonstrated multiple instances of the military coverups of murders and torture in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He has no criminal history of violence of which anyone is aware, or indeed any criminal history at all, apart from some childhood charges for computer hacking in his homeland of Australia, of which the Australian prosecutors themselves said "there is just no evidence that there was anything other than sort of intelligent inquisitiveness and the pleasure of being able to—what's the expression—surf through these various computers"

This is a quote from Britain's Guardian newspaper in an article that is, frankly, chillingly sensationalist and as clear as fucking mud:

One of two women involved [involved as in she's one of Assange's alleged rape victims] told Aftonbladet in an interview published today that she had never intended Assange to be charged with rape. She was quoted as saying: "It is quite wrong that we were afraid of him. He is not violent and I do not feel threatened by him."

Now get this.

Last week Wikileaks released 250 000 diplomatic cables from the US State Department's diplomatic office.

A quarter of a million.

Among the delightful pieces of information was proof that Britain has conspired to hide illegal weapons, banned by international law, on it's own soil for America.

I'll say that again.

Britain's politicians agreed to hide weapons banned by international law on British soil.

In the wake of the release of these documents, Interpol - the international police agency, released a Red Notice for Assange's arrest.

This is the highest possible level of alert that Interpol can put out on a person.

Let's just read that quote from one of his 'victims' again:

One of two women involved [involved as in she's one of Assange's alleged rape victims] told Aftonbladet in an interview published today that she had never intended Assange to be charged with rape. She was quoted as saying: "It is quite wrong that we were afraid of him. He is not violent and I do not feel threatened by him."

This is the crime for which INTERPOL has released a RED NOTICE on this man.

An Interpol Red Notice, just after he releases 250 000 documents exposing illegal activity in the US and UK governments.

Hmm.

This is an absolute disgrace.

But it gets worse.  All of a sudden, major companies that all of us use start joining in the hunt for Assange. 

First - Paypal cuts donations to Wikileaks.

Who the fuck are Paypal?  Who do they think they are?  So if someone goes up against the government, they can just pull the funding plug?

Is this democracy?

Then Amazon removes Wikileaks as a paying customer from it's servers, saying that it doesn't work with people "engaged in illegal activities."

And yet it still lists Hillary Clinton's autobiography after the state department approved the hiding of illegal cluster munitions on British soil?  With British complicity?  No.

This has NOTHING to do with illegal activity.  This is businesses doing favours for politicians.

Why?

WHY?

Because they are corrupt.  Corruption Wikileaks has the courage to expose.

Is this democracy?

IS THIS DEMOCRACY?

No.

No it's not.

It gets better.

Senior politicians, such as America's Sarah Palin and Canada's Tom Flanagan have openly called for his murder.

They have been met by howls of support from their adoring admirers in the general public, and the right wing media who feed millions of people people lies they greedily swallow down.

Saturday Night Live, America's flagship comedy show, has decided to make a big joke about how 'sleazy' Assange is.

Everyone's jumping on board.

I've started a facebook group - I started it yesterday, we've already got over 700 members.  Please help us publicise it.

It is called the Julian Assange Couchsurf 2010.

This is the link.

It's anyone who'll lend a couch to a man on the run, being hounded by the authorities over spurious accusations, hounded for an act of incredible courage and principle. 

This is a stunning and sickening assault by the political establishment on a man of incredible courage.  It is imperative that people stand together and demonstrate that not all of us are so easily used by a system that cares only about the degree to which we consume.

I was wondering how to end this piece, I wanted to make it good.  But I can't think of anything better to say than to share with you the words of Julian Assange.  When asked why he does what he does, this is how he responded:


"The whole universe or the structure that perceives it is a worthy opponent, but try as I may I can not escape the sound of suffering.

Perhaps as an old man I will take great comfort in pottering around in a lab and gently talking to students in the summer evening and will accept suffering with insouciance.

But not now; men in their prime, if they have convictions are tasked to act on them."

JOIN THE GROUP.  SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH EVERYONE YOU KNOW.

ACT.
                                                              -By Ciaran Healy



Yeah crazy right???  Here's a link to the facebook group

Julian Assange Couchsurf 2010
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=gro … 55913&ap=1

#75 Re: The Garden » Epic journey of disaster » 770 weeks ago

DCK wrote:

We have equipment. We spray the runways with salt or other ice fixing liquids I assume, and also use plows. We also de-ice any flight departing the airport. In March 09 I took off in what you might call a snow blizzard, and all we did was wait for 10 minutes while the machines de-iced the airplane for snow and ice and off we went.

There are absolutely no problem keeping either roads or runways open with a bit of tools at hand. I must say I am extremely proud of Oslo Airport and their punctuality of flights considering the weather they have to work with for 6 months each year.

That was the most frustrating part. To know that there are technology at hand to deal with it, technology that has been there basially since the 50's or 60's.

But they all, like you, give the excuse concerning the government. The gov doesn't invest because it's cheaper not to. I think it's hilarious. The tip of Scotland are well beyond the southern tip of Norway, and you still don't invest in anything to handle anything under freezing point. I was up at Loch Ness on Saturday, and I counted only ONE car on winter tires. The weather was crisp, and cold. Just like a normal winter day in Norway. To drive around on summer tires is like a tragic comedy unfolding in front of my eyes.

Well done cunt, you got warm boots. Well done your nation of pussies is a true shining  light

#76 Re: The Garden » Need conspiracy theories? Click here. » 770 weeks ago

scum


In fact.


I'm going to take her down


huh no forum or commenting... smart womanbitch

#77 Re: The Sunset Strip » ALTER BRIDGE: 'Isolation' Video Teaser Released - Dec. 3, 2010 » 770 weeks ago

Saikin wrote:
Axlin08 wrote:

Let's not get crazy. Alter Bridge isn't that far removed from Creed. It's all post-grunge.

Agreed... musically at least.  The intro to Life Must Go On sounds a lot like One Last Breath from Creed.  Musically there are a lot of similarities.

Which kind of sounds like Don't Cry.

Pretending that MOST rock music does NOT sound the same is dishonest.

Look at Tesla and Patience

#78 Re: The Sunset Strip » ALTER BRIDGE: 'Isolation' Video Teaser Released - Dec. 3, 2010 » 770 weeks ago

Axlin08 wrote:

Let's not get crazy. Alter Bridge isn't that far removed from Creed. It's all post-grunge.

That's like saying The  calling aren't that far removed from AB. Just cos it's the same genre don't mean shit.

There is huge scope in anyone genre, and the AB are most DEF not post grunge sounding anyway.

SO yes, lets carry on in being carried away

#79 Re: Guns N' Roses » to go tonight, or not to go tonight... » 770 weeks ago

how long u been on this site?

What kind of person sits round talking bout a band ALL DAY and then doesn't go see them?


Go

#80 Re: The Garden » Inspiration from the DalaiLama » 770 weeks ago

Keep an eye out for the book, were moving publisher at the moment

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