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#71 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 486 weeks ago
Taken together, America is hurtling towards an election that no one wants. The Democratic Party will nominate a candidate most Democrats dislike because their game is rigged. The Republican Party will nominate a candidate most Republicans dislike because their game is not. It's a wonderful advertisement for liberal democracy.
This is a good article about how no one really wants Trump or Hillary.
#72 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 487 weeks ago
Hopefully we can convince you otherwise before Nov. 8th.
Is there ANYTHING Trump can do that would cause you to give him another chance? Maybe going into more specifics on policies?
He's such a loathsome character to me that I don't think he can do anything to change my mind, but I suppose you never know.
#73 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 487 weeks ago
Don't underestimate the dislike of Hillary from ALL sides.
Yeah, I don't get the people who thinks this will be a cakewalk for Hillary when she has her own likability problems. I think she is also going to have a tough time corralling Bernie's supporters that are sick of the establishment. I think many will be disenfranchised and stay home.
#74 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 487 weeks ago
Are you voting for him if it comes down to Trump/Hilldog?
What about those of you who are democrats, but can't stand Hillary? Are you voting Trump, staying home or biting the bullet and go with another Clinton just to keep the Donald out?
I'd have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary.
#75 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 488 weeks ago
WASHINGTON (AP) -- So much for Bernie Sanders' big win in New Hampshire.
ince then, Hillary Clinton has picked up endorsements from 87 more superdelegates to the Democratic National Convention, dwarfing Sanders' gain from the New Hampshire primary, according to a new Associated Press survey. Sanders has added just 11 superdelegate endorsements.
If these party insiders continue to back Clinton overwhelmingly — and they can change their minds — Sanders would have to win the remaining primaries by a landslide just to catch up. He would have to roll up big margins because every Democratic contest awards delegates in proportion to the vote, so even the loser can get some.
After the contests in Iowa and New Hampshire, Sanders has a small 36-32 lead among delegates won in primaries and caucuses. But when superdelegates are included, Clinton leads 481-55, according to the AP count. It's essentially a parallel election that underscores Clinton's lopsided support from the Democratic establishment.The disparity is sparking a backlash among some Sanders supporters, who complain that the Democratic nominating process is decidedly undemocratic, rigged in favor of Clinton.
#76 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 489 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Raising taxes doesn't help the middle class. Good jobs help the middle class. Higher paying good jobs. Every other solution does not help the middle class.
Bernie has the luxury of being from Vermont. He never had to fight in an election. He never had to defend or make an important vote with consequences, where his career was on the line. He's never had the responsibility of diplomacy or working across the isle. He's never had to fight. He's never had to deal with real problems. He's had the luxury of being the outsider who could do, vote or say whatever he wanted to the point of calling himself an independent socialist (he was never even a democrat) and his district would vote for him because he's Bernie the mascot. And making college free means shit when so many kids are born at a disadvantage of being poor, with bad school programs and undiagnosed learning problems where they'll never have a real shot at a university, but they will be left paying for privlaged kids to go to a school they could actually afford themselves.
It's kinda messed up to assume poor kids don't have a shot at University. You're also overlooking the middle class children that are saddled with crushing debt because they have to take out tens of thousands of dollars in loans (or 100,000+ if they want to go to grad school). Free college would save middle class youth a ton of money which would go back into the economy as they could afford to purchase homes and cars. That's the other part of Bernie's platform that gets overlooked. The money saved from the "free stuff" would get pumped back into the economy (because let's face it we're a nation of consumers) and would create more jobs. Millions of young people would benefit from free college which would outweigh the privileged few who could afford it outright.
#77 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 489 weeks ago
Raising taxes doesn't help the middle class. Good jobs help the middle class. Higher paying good jobs. Every other solution does not help the middle class.
People have a heart attack at the words "raise" and "taxes" put together, but you have to look at the bigger picture. Bernie's plan would raise taxes some, but it would eliminate insurance premiums and deductibles which would result in a net savings for the middle class. How does that not help the middle class?
Look at other countries with a single payer system. It hasn't hurt their middle class. The U.S. has higher poverty levels than any other wealth nation.
Bernie also has a plan to create 13 million jobs by rebuilding America's crumbling infrastructure. He also wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Both help the middle and lower classes.
#78 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 489 weeks ago
He lost me at single payer. There's zero chance the gov't won't fuck up health care. Zero. I don't care who is in office. Insurance companies aren't the issue. They just get blamed because that's the easy way to do it. Until costs get controlled there's nothing anybody can do to fix health care.
We should also move to performance based pay for physicians instead of volume based pay. Why do we have to pay for them to keep trying to fix the same thing over and over instead of paying when they actually fix it? There are so many things wrong with health care beyond insurance companies.
Seniors love Medicare so don't be so certain the government would screw it up. A single payer system would help control costs because the government can negotiate prices.
#79 Re: The Garden » The Rant Thread » 491 weeks ago
SNOW!!!!!!!
That is all
This.
#80 Re: The Garden » Best attack ad ever to help a candidate lol » 491 weeks ago
HAHA that is gold. It does come across as a parody, but they are a real conservative group.
I don't understand why they would rather run against Bernie. He polls better against them than Clinton does. Also, he is considered more honest and likable in polls than she is. He also resonates more with millennials and if he can mobilize the youth vote it's game over.
Hilary is so polarizing that you would think they would rather take their chances against her.
