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#71 Re: Guns N' Roses » On the Eve of Democracy, Where's Axl? » 867 weeks ago
I just think he has no desire to deal with the press or media at this point
But on a related note I don't remember seeing anything about the new AC/DC album aside from a couple online articles until a week or two prior to the release, when I saw the ads on during football games regularly
In this day and age where the general public has the attention span of a fruit fly I think they'll probably wait until the last minute to really start bashing people over the head with marketing
#72 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 867 weeks ago
I always figured that If The World was one of the songs Bucket composed while watching porn
Maybe Pitman was watching porn with Bucket then composed it
#73 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 868 weeks ago
You could write a book on the psychology of GnR. It would be pretty interesting
Slash is a textbook passive-aggressive narcissist
Axl like many people from abusive households has control and trust issues and is very sensitive to being judged
You could go on and on about their personalities. Axl was obviously in a lot better shape from a mental standpoint not to mention vocally in 2006 and 2007, and now 2008, than he was back in 2002
You know I often wonder what happened between 2001 and 2002. 2001, he returned looking like his old self even if his vocals were shaky and was well-received. Looked like the album was on the way
2002 there was the first canceled tour, then he showed up with the braids and jerseys and said the infamous "I wouldn't say soon is the word" quote, then the US tour imploded, right after the best show of the tour and actually one of the best GnR shows ever in any era. Very strange
#74 Re: Guns N' Roses » My guitar complaint *spoilers included* » 868 weeks ago
I agree it was basically a soap opera aboard a train heading over the cliff. Unfortunately throughout all these years we were only given glimpses of the chaos behind the scenes. Had Axl(or anyone) been upfront about the project from the start, I think expectations could have been lowered a bit and the album could have glided into reality instead of the potential crash landing it faces.
One thing I would like to know someday about this project is if there were ever any ultimatums given to Axl regarding a release by any band members. Hell, not unloading it in 2001-02 is terrible but understandable to a certain degree, but when 2003-04 rolls around and still nothing, none of these guys became concerned? Then Bucket leaves and its two more years of nothing.
I laugh at how we all thought a release might happen in 2005. We were more likely to see Liberace record a new album in 2005 than we were to see Chinese Democracy.
I doubt there were many ultimatums issued because realistically GnR is the best gig in the world for these guys. Tommy was working at the phone company or something like that when Axl called him
I know Fortus has a lucrative career as a session player and scoring movies and videogames
GnR is the best gig in the world for these guys. They get paid to record, they make more money touring with Guns than they could make with anyone else, and they're free to do whatever the hell they feel like in the downtime. Where else would they go or what else would they do where they have it made like that?
I'm sure they all wish the album came out years ago but for pretty much everyone in the band laying out ultimatums would be like the old cliche of cutting off their nose to spite their face. I think most of them realize that the only thing laying down an ultimatum would do is open up the possibility that they miss out on the big paydays from the next tour
#75 Re: Guns N' Roses » My guitar complaint *spoilers included* » 868 weeks ago
*this isn't a response to James, I hit reply without seeing his post
I'm not trying to be say that Axl's blame free for the delays because obviously that's not the case
But there were a lot of other people involved who played a role in the delays, at least the initial delays from 1999-2001
That NYT article has a quote from Youth who mentioned how in '98 it was a struggle to get Axl into a state of mind where writing/recording songs was even a possibility. It's obvious that the guy was dealing with depression and other issues at the time and didn't even want to work
So it seems evident to me that the record label, which as the article mentions was struggling at the time, pushed Axl to make a record when he wasn't really in the right state of mind to make one. They threw gobs of money at the situation, with next to no oversight. Then the people who created the situation got shitcanned, and were replaced by others who had different views on the project and where it should be headed. I would bet that once the 1999 or 2000 or 2001 version got rejected, Axl's obsessiveness was ratcheted up tenfold.
You bring in another perfectionist with a big ego in RTB, and he starts making the guys re-record stuff they'd already recorded 2 years earlier. All the while this money's being spent and spent and spent, and nobody is in charge. The whole situation sounds like a mess although, there were enough talented people involved that a good album ended up emerging
I wonder if the guy who rejected the album 7 or 9 years ago wishes he had just given it the thumbs up
#76 Re: Guns N' Roses » My guitar complaint *spoilers included* » 868 weeks ago
I agree that it all cant be placed at Axl's doorstep as the fans and media blew the project out of proportion, but Axl allowed it to reach this point. In the NYT article, they mention he wants to make the greatest record ever made. He allowed band members to go around announcing that the material was "earth shattering, "mind blowing",etc. So the expectations were born in the GNR camp, and the media and fans ran with it.
Wasn't that quote attributed to one of the engineers? I think it was more of a description of the perfectionist, OCD attitude towards recording than a stated goal
I agree that he let it get to that point by not putting out the album back in 2001-2003, but record label rejected some form of the album at least one time prior to 2001. And the record label undergoing so many changes, including firing the people who greenlit the project and handed over the huge advance
Some of real problems with this constant recording and re-recording arose when RTB was brought in. That NYT article seems to imply that he was brought in or at least recommended by the label, and due to his Queen connection he was probably welcomed with open arms by Axl. What is known is that he had the band re-record everything that had been done to that point. The whole thing is counterintuitive. The record label wanted the album out faster, so they bring in a producer who is a notorious perfectionist and is well-known for demanding take after take and meticulously polishing everything?
The recent Brain interview really shone a lot of light on what went down. RTB making him record his drum parts for each song in one take is downright insane.
It's too bad that they couldn't have got the album out in 2001 or 2002. Maybe we'd be discussing album 3 right now. But I don't think we can even begin to comprehend the type of political power plays, posturing, and legal nonsense that went on with the type of egos and the amount of money involved, combined with Axl's perfectionism and sensitivity and you can see how this thing spiraled out of control and why it took 7 additional years to release an album that was mostly done in 2001
#77 Re: Guns N' Roses » My guitar complaint *spoilers included* » 868 weeks ago
Side note, it'll never happen, but I would love to hear an album composed by Axl, Bucket, Pitman and Brain. Just have them write an album of instrumentals with Axl specifically in mind, have Axl work on his piano. They can come add the layers on his songs, he lays vocals down on theirs, and you have an album. I'm sure it would be sweet. Never happen but it'd be cool
#78 Re: Guns N' Roses » My guitar complaint *spoilers included* » 868 weeks ago
James Lofton wrote:No song is worth one million, and no album is "worth the wait". A true artistic vision cant be bought or perpetually delayed. While this is a great record, Santogold released an album this year that shits all over Chinese Democracy and it only took her a few weeks to record it.
Agreed. This has more to do with Axl's fragile emotional state and withdrawing from society.
I was listening to Falling Into Infinity the other day, and I thought to myself that "these guys [Dream Theater] put out a record every few years, and every single album they put out owns CD's ass in complexity. Even their fillers, seem like epics compared to CD, (even though DT isn't really a 'filler heavy' band)"
I know i'm pulling out the Dream Theater reference again, but it's mainly 'cause I got them on the mind, re-listening to their catalog.
CD is a great album, if not going to reach masterpiece territory imo. But there are other good albums out there, recorded in a fly's breath of the time that it took CD.
Hell, even Buckethead's albums, which he puts out 25 a year, are instrumentally more complex than CD.
If Axl would've just taken the handcuffs off Bucket, Brain & Chris, and just wrote lyrics and laid down vocals, CD imo would've been in the bag in two years, and would've been legendary.
I think you are completely right. I mean the whole thing about CD revolutionizing music or being "mindblowing***," there's never been any real indication that those were Axl's intentions. Those expectations were created by the media and fans who wondered what was taking so long, and what was so much money spent on.
The reason it took so long is because of personal, political (in the context of the record company) and legal issues. After seeing the final tracklisting is there any doubt that they could've put out a great album (assuming you think the songs on CD are great) back in 2001 or 2002? Hell no, and at that point the project would've only taken 3-4 years.
The reason it cost so much is because the record company gave Axl a blank check during a time when he was not necessarily in the best place mentally. There's that interview from 1999 or 2000 where he'd talk about going down to the studio having no idea what he'd be able to get done. Hours were spent on studio time where nothing much got done, and on music that was recorded and scrapped, other stuff that may end up on future albums. From all reports there was almost no oversight on the project by the label. You had engineers sitting around in a studio that was being rented at $2000 a day and nobody was there.
And then there's the other factor, which was that Axl may not have been mentally prepared to step back into the spotlight, knowing the inevitable media shitstorm that awaited.
I think that all this time, Axl's only real goal was to make a great rock album worthy of the GnR name. In my opinion, he's done that. This album is groundbreaking in the GnR world in that it includes stuff they've never done before, like Shackler's and If The World, but not in the music world. What it does, is what every GnR album has done, brought together a lot of different musical influences and put them together into one album. CD is not that different from UYI, aside from incorporating some additional other musical styles that weren't really included on UYI
***I really fucking hate the term "mindblowing" when it comes to music. I seriously can't remember the last time I heard a band or song that "blew my mind." Maybe when I was 11 and listened to Dark Side for the first time or something. Seriously, it's a fucking rock album. What could possibly be "mindblowing" about a rock album in 2008 (or 2000)? It's all been done
#79 Re: Guns N' Roses » My guitar complaint *spoilers included* » 868 weeks ago
"Slash/Brian May/any bluesy "feel" guitarist could have easily made most of these solos fit the songs much better..."
I disagree completely. There are plenty of strong "feel" solos. Robin's solos in The Blues and Better are perfect for both songs IMO. Buckethead's outros on TWAT and The Blues are perfect for the songs. And so on.
Every shred solo on the album fits with the song. Bucket's solo in Better is a fitting segue into the "metal" section. His solos on CD and IRS are completely appropriate for the songs. A bluesy solo on Shackler's would just sound stupid in the context of the song. Even in Prostitute it fits. It wouldn't fit a song like The Blues or TWAT if Bucket or Ron came in shredding away, but they don't do that.
As far as what I mean by more "interesting," Bucket's solo on CD for example, is short and sweet, much more interesting than what Slash would've played in the same spot. I'm not saying that his stuff on CD is "groundbreaking," that doesn't mean it doesn't catch my ear and make me think "that's sweet"
#80 Re: Guns N' Roses » My guitar complaint *spoilers included* » 868 weeks ago
I think the solos throughout the entire album are great but that's just me. It's not really a purely guitar driven album but songs like Better and Riad have some rocking, catchy riffs that get stuck in your head like the old lineup so many people are hell bent on comparing every minute detail to
I'm sorry to all the diehard Slash fans but I find Buckethead's work a lot more interesting than Slash's at this point in time. If Slash had stayed on GnR had put out shit that was the same musically as Snakepit or Libertad I would've lost interest in Guns a long time ago