you compare the new gnr without slash to metallica and ACDC?  come on dude, you can`t be serious about that... metallica and acdc still have their most important members and to compare their newest albums to chinese democracy is another weak link of your agumentation. i can only speak for germany, but those two records were VERY succesful. i`M not a fan of acdc, but in my opinion death magnetic seriously rocks.

if an actually promoted new gnr record could be succesful is another question

Naltav wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

Sometimes I just have to call it like I see it.  It's not an argument when you don't even know what is going on around you.  Trust me, I saved you a lot of embarrassment.  Move on...

Thanks buzz, for saving me the embarrassment! It's very obvious to everyone that you held back "the big guns"...

When I go see GNR for two shows in Norway in a few weeks, I'll try to upload some videos for you, since you haven't seen the band perform yet. And you can live vicariously through me and tell me what the shows were like and how much it sucked even though the people who attended the shows thought it ROCKED!!

Maybe Noway's standards aren't very high.  I've seen the videos.  They are unimpressive.  I've also read the reports of lukewarm reaction to the new songs and people enjoying the old stuff, though I imagine you'll leave that out of your report.

Enjoy the shows.  Why exactly do you care what I think about it anyway?  Even if everybody else hates it, isn't all that matters that you enjoyed it? 

You keep throwing out the word "everyone" like everyone agrees with you.  I don't see people lining up to back you.  Even if some people did line up to back you, they certainly wouldn't be doing it because you made a good case.  You completely embarrassed yourself dude.  You can never win an argument with someone when your side of the argument is telling the other person that the experiences that they had didn't really happen and they imagined them.  You are fighting an impossible battle, yet you refuse to give up. 

Let me make this as simple as possible so you can go away: you are free to think whatever you want.  I know what I have experienced, so no matter what you think is true, you are never going to be able to change my mind on the issue. 

My factual experiences are going to trump your desired reality every day of the week.  Nothing you can say will EVER change that.  No amount of people that you can convince to support you will ever change that.  Like I said, maybe I am the luckiest son of a bitch when it came to attending concerts, but I know what happened at the shows I've been to, and the sample size isn't small.  Perhaps that is because I haven't gone and seen a lot of washed up bands or bands that are touring well past their prime.  Whatever the reason, the facts of what I have seen are the facts.  You cannot change them.

You lose.  Good day sir.

Naltav wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

You're still completely missing the point.  My argument is that you can't tell me that my personal experience doesn't trump what you want me to believe just because you said so.  That fact alone proves my point.  You have proven nothing.  Anything else is irrelevant.  Unless you can prove that my experiences didn't happen, there is no chance in hell that you can win this.  You will never convince me no matter what you say that the things that I saw with my own eyes didn't happen and what you wish to be the case because it supports your case is how it always happens despite the FACT that I have seen a lot more examples that prove you wrong.

I've seen it.  I've lived it.  You're just some Axl obsessed guy on the internet that refuses to acknowledge that the almighty Axl might not be all that almighty afterall.  Don't tell me what I should believe...

Well, what's your experience then? Wasn't it the over 100+ concert you've attended?

And if so, how does that prove anything? What happened at these 100+ gigs that contradict that playing 5-7 new songs on tour is above avarage?

You keep backpaddling because you know your arguments is likely to hold no water what so ever....

You're an idiot.  I haven't backpedaled an inch.  I am done wasting my time on you.  I hope English isn't your first language, because I can't explain myself any clearer than this.