that was not a great performance. i thought the band was good, although they seemed uninspired. aside from all the problems, there was just an energy missing from the show. i really believe that was due to the weather though (and maybe the shitty feed). they sounded great on some of the challending songs that haven't sounded too good in the past. and they nailed Estranged.

as for Axl, his vocals and performance were poor overall. after getting the rasp back and hearing him sound great for most of 2006-2010, it was disappointing to hear him go back to the 2002 sound.

he was really out of breath early and was trying to overcome that (and the rain). but then he started hitting a nice stride on estranged and TIL. he sounded good at other times as well.   

i don't think this is a disaster though. i have even more confidence in this band now. the fact that Axl had the rasp at various times during the show tells me that he will continue to sound better as they get more shows under their belt.

this was in no way shape or form a "return" or an opportunity to show the world they are back. they just got done touring the world very successfully 10 months ago. all that's left is the U.S. and this show will not impact the upcoming tour at all. they have a bunch of S.A. dates coming up soon and how that tour overall goes will be more telling for prospects of success or failure for the U.S. tour.

if you were a promoter in the U.S., how would you promote the tour? they are doing what they believe will help sell the most tix. same as any other band.

as for the venues, this isn't just Axl's call. the promoters have a financial interest and they must not consider the previous tour a failure or they would not be booking a tour at the major venues again. and if the show near your town doesn't sell all that well, that's good for you since you will get better seats.

as for the set list, i expect a similar set list to their 2010 shows. about 5-7 songs from their most recent album....i'd say that's the average for most bands. metallica was playing about 6 songs from st. anger when they toured that in 2009, and back in 2003-2004 they were playing less than that from St. Anger.

I read alot of case docs a few years back and read lots of opinions. I have always been close to 50-50, but leaning slighty towards them being guilty. 

You guys present great info and i am still probably 55-45 leaning towards guilty.

One thing that i've been wondering....did miskelley mention the boys being tied with rope on his own??? Because this point is always used by wm3 supporters as evidence that he was lying. But i feel that if he knew they were tied up at all, that would be  evidence that he was telling the truth. That is a very specific detail that you wouldnt expect anyone to guess. Even if he got the "tool" wrong (which a semi-slow person might do a few weeks later), to me, knowing that fact (that they were tied up) is huge.

Anyway, i dont understand how or why anyone with any kind of intelligence could be absolutely convinced of their innocence. There are some doubts, even if u call them minor doubts, that they r innocent. Their innocence just is not proven. It is far from a fact. And with that in mind, how can people support them and help with the release of individuals that MAY be guilty.

Part of me is just thinking "holy shit. Murderers may have just been set free." And if i had a hand in that (financially, for example), i would be feeling sick right now.

just to clarify...this board doesn't blow because of the negativity. i thought i was clear that that this place used to be great because of just that - you could be negative and have honest discussions.

this board blows because there's very little originality. people post the same shit in every thread. it just gets boring. there should just be an "axl hates touring" thread, and you guys can go have a field day in there and count the number of shows Axl has played in the last 5 years.

haha! i couldn't agree more! you are 100% correct. it's really a shame what this board has turned into. i used to check it out alot because you could have honest discussions. and people would bring well-thought opinions.

now it's just a place to make up negative shit about axl and the band, and then discuss as if that shit is fact.

doesn't anyone in here get sick of posting the same shit over and over?

hopefully when things pick up for the band again, the vibe on this board will improve.