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#901 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hall of Fame Videos » 684 weeks ago
Slash interacted with Adler for the most.
I think waters under the Velvet Revolver bridge are pretty messed up, so the interactions between him, Matt and Duff were limited to the minimum.
And it's impossible not to think what their heads were processing at the moment, being there without Axl and Izzy, should taste like cold coffee.
#902 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 685 weeks ago
misterID wrote:If all Axl cared about was money, he'd be playing with the old guys right now.
I'm not sure I agree with this. I think Axl is getting more from doing this than he would a reunion, or at the very least, his amount is close to what his amount would be for a reunion. A reunion isn't happening without sharing the name, and the revenue for everything. Even if the amounts are just close, in Axl's mind it isn't worth giving up the name and what goes with that.
Would a reunion tour clear 5 or 6 times what he's making now? Maybe in the US, I don't think so in the world (where he spends most of his time touring).
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I think that a reunion would mean GN'R headlining stadiums again all over the world, on the same basis as U2, Stones, etc, instead of arenas and ocasional stadiums in South America.
Plus, GN'R would not be a festival headline act anymore, just headlining its own shows.
I think Axl share on current GN'R tours, being responsible to pay salaries for top notch players, late start fees and production costs plus the entire crew that travels with him (THE WHOLE LEBEIS FAMILY and associates, just catch one of the Lebeis on INstagram to see it - there are uncles, grandpas, brothers, sisters and whatever floats your boat) is WAY less than what he would earn with 1/5 of a Reunion tour.
The only report we had on how much a GN'R concert costs is from that private concert in Moscow in 2010 and it was rumoured to cost 1 million dollars. I guess the average concert is much less than that and the private was just like "ok, you want a private GN'R concert? 1 million and I'll do it" and the guy payed.
It was reported in 2005 they were offered 100 million dollars for 5 concerts in Europe in the summer. In five concerts Axl would earn 20 million dollars and I assure you that UMG would take care of all production costs. How many concerts he has to play with GNR today to earn this ammount?
#903 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tenacious D namedrops Axl in song » 685 weeks ago
There's also Lars in, out and the in for not signing the Better video.
Also James Hetfield for burning! 
This shit is fun!
#904 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tenacious D namedrops Axl in song » 685 weeks ago
You forgot the Sweden, where Axl tried to take a piece of somebody's leg with a bite.
#905 Re: Guns N' Roses » Officially Licensed Merchandising from 1997? » 685 weeks ago
Everything fine with the packaging and the t-shirt?
#906 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 685 weeks ago
I remember a band playing several new songs that were (and were not) released 7 years later...
Once upon a time there was this band, called Guns N' Roses, they played The Blues (later released as street of dreams), Oh My God, Silworms (both still unreleased on their final formats), Chinese Democracy and Madagascar on a festival in 2001 and Riad and The Bedouins in Vegas.
Oh wait...
#907 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 685 weeks ago
Arguments for the Set List Remaining the Same:
1. Other bands such as AC/DC have also toured with variants of the same set list for a very long time.
2. Even if new music came out, the band will always be most famous for their classic hits, so whatever happens at a show, most of the people there would leave disappointed if the setlist excluded some of the big commercial hits.
3. In places where you would have had less of a cultural impact it makes a lot of sense to stick to classics. Lets not forget in Russia, when AFD came out the nation was part of the USSR. They probably listened to AFD in secret, or years later, not with GNR posters on their walls with Axl draped in an American flag. Sure it's decades on...but it's still grounds to demo your experimental new weird music somewhere else!
The Argument for the Set List Needing to Change:
1. It's been the same pretty much for a decade.
2. It's mostly classic hits...that the modern guys do well but are just cover artists of - they're not up there playing their own song.
3. The argument for breaking up the old band / no reunion was to establish a new vision for GNR - yet GNR's set is a rehash of the 1991 tour with the occasional nod to a recent (read 2008) song....
The Elephant in the Room:
1. How much of the setlist is dictated by problems with Axl's voice?
2. How much of the setlist is dictated by familiarity being used to reduce stage anxiety? (Sorry Baz..but I don't think Axl hits the stage late because he's in the shower. More likely Axl can't come out till he's in his rockstar mood - and he can't flick a switch and be that guy when he's probably often either insecure, depressed etc...)
3. Further to the above...why exactly does the band never "move on". I believe it's a combination of management complications having caused issues with UMG, and Axl's aforementioned situation - it's just his personality - but add in that he can't forgive the old band, get's hurt easily when people diss him in the media and or online and he's painted himself into a checkmate corner almost. Can't deal with the label, Can't reunite, Can't put out new music, it's all very hard and or scary...so he does what he can still do without overwhelming problems...and that's play this setlist.
To me the set-lists are not the "illness" they are merely the visible symptom of what may be a far deeper problem.
#908 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 685 weeks ago
I find it funny that one of the biggest complainers is always complaining about people complaining, but what do I know.
Complaininception.
#909 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 685 weeks ago
I have to tell you that my main problem is not with the setlist.
If they'd dig out of the back catalogue Back Off Bitch, Reckless Life, Double Talkin Jive, Shadow of Your Love, whatever... I would be here posting the same shit!
It's not time anymore for Axl to look back. He has to man up and look forward.
#910 Re: Guns N' Roses » Moscow, Russia (2 Show Discussion) » 685 weeks ago
Ali wrote:russtcb wrote:Ah. I've heard this exact quote from another person before and it's as incorrect now as it was then. See, you're not seeing anyone here complain about a show their not at. You're seeing people complain about the state of arrested development that GN'R seems to be in.
I'm a big "set list defender" and even I think maybe it's time to stop playing the same ol' same old.
To clarify even further, complaining about a show they're aren't at would be more like complaining about the quality of Axl's vocals, the poor sound mix or the way a band member was playing something all based on a YouTube clip or something like that.
With all due respect, Russ, I have to disagree. A comment like "100% cash grab" implies to me (at least) that the band came out and played with no to minimal effort and just went through the motions so to speak. The problem with that is that cannot be discerned through a setlist alone. Hence, I do feel that is criticizing a show one is not at.
As far as the arrested development, I don't see how that can be stated to be the case when we know for a fact they have been working on a new album, per Richard Fortus. If one means the setlist specifically, that is another story, and obviously that hasn't changed much since the NA tours. But, the Russian and European crowds didn't get to hear "Estranged" or "Civil War" in 2010.
Ali
The term "cash grab" in this particular thread was used specifically about the set list. The way you can tell is that no one spoke about GN'R performance or effort. The thing that was being discussed was the set list.
And if all you have to lean on as proof that they're moving forward is a quote from Richard Fortus saying they're working on a new album, you are armed with quite the weak argument.
And you're preaching to the choir in regards to the "well, they've added this, that or the other song since the last tour" however, the Russian crowd didn't even get Civil War and You're Crazy that those of us in North America did.
The long and the short of it is this; I believe users should be allowed to voice their opinion on the state of GN'R here. If it's negative and they've got an argument to back it up, then great, let's have a discussion. If you, I or anyone else disagrees and has an argument to back it up, now we're cooking.
But to stop by and accuse the user base of doing something they're not? That I won't let fly. To many intelligent folks on this board often well armed with a fantastic line of reasoning to watch them have to put up with that.
Not saying I'm of the intelligent kind, but I've seen GN'R in Rio 2001, Porto Alegre 2010, been following all the tours and concerts since Vegas 2000/2001 and I'm done.
I've said already that I've travelled 2000 miles to see them in Rio in 2001. I'm flying 6000 miles in June to catch Tom Petty in Hamburg.
While in Europe GNR will play THREE times close to me as a walk in the park (really, in Milan it's on the same block as my hostel) and I won't be attending because I won't handle money to Axl. He had my devotion, he had me following and believing in him for all of his craziness. I've justified his behavior, late starts, actions, his belief in Chinese Democracy but if that guy doesn't want to move on, who am I to shove it down his throat?
I'll only be excited by new music. That's all there's left now.
He was able to even lose his enigmatic figure. Today is far more common to see Axl Rose in concert than to catch a good movie on the Theaters.
