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#931 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy.... Starts Now? » 910 weeks ago
russtcb wrote:What sucks is that evidently everyone from the top down is also realizing it now also.
Thats what worries me concerning the possibility of it never being released. As the years go by with nothing, it has allowed everyone involved, whether it be Axl or the head honchos at Uni, to see that nothing positive can be achieved by releasing this record. Lets look at a few of the goals this album has had over the years. Goals mentioned by the man himself during various time frames.....
Bury the old band- not a fucking chance. ship sailed on that vision about a decade ago.
Silence the "nay sayers"- how? By becoming a pop culture joke for a decade or more before release? ship sailed on this vision years ago as well.
Show he could do it without the old band- really? You did 5 albums with the old band in a 6 year period, but one song from 95-08 and we're still waiting. He's the only AFD member to not release an album.
Move the band forward- REO Speedwagon power ballads? Grunge with shredding and synth? Prodigy style techno shit? Wake up....its the early 80's and mid 90's.
The "trilogy vision"- delusions. Beta or someone else close to him who is on his payroll probably suggested this fantasy and he went along with it. When you cant get up enough courage to release one album, where does the courage come to release three? The emperor has no clothes.....
Lets look at a few items that will concern Uni...
Can it sell millions of copies? Of course not. Only a handful of albums sell millions of copies in this era, and this probably wont be one of them. I'm sure they've "crunched the numbers" over at Uni headquarters, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out its gonna have trouble mining for gold.
The value of the GNR name- This is the biggest mystery of all, and it will be answered the first week of CD release. A scary proposition for all involved. If CD tanks, the value drops even more because it taints the legacy. Bad legacy= lower sales of the old albums and less demand(and money) for a reunion. A GH vol. 2 would also feel the sting in a post CD era. The brand will have been diluted even more.
Fan reaction- I'm not talking about 5 thousand nerds spread out over a few websites. We're talking Joe and Jill public here. Joe and Jill weren't too impressed with Oh My God. Joe remembers rocking out to GNR in his youth and Jill lost her virginity to SCOM and had a crush on (insert band member here). New GNR is a whole different ballgame. They have NOTHING for old casual fans or even any new fans to identify with. Zero albums sold, zero legacy, and no identity. Put Finck or Fortus on TV talking about a solo they did on a GNR album, and there's about a 90% chance Joe and Jill change the channel. Nothing for them to relate to. The image they have ALWAYS had of GNR was never able to change because Axl refused to move on. When they hear GNR, they still picture Slash doing the solo.
This ingrained image is going to bite Axl on the ass much deeper than people realize.
This project dragged itself into irrelevancy. All parties involved are likely coming to the realization that its less risky on their bank accounts(and GNR's legacy) if this album never sees the light of day. They can just keep the sliver of mystery alive for us hardcores while putting Jungle and PC on video games and soundtracks and raking in dough on the old albums. Everyone with a financial stake in GNR benefits that way.
They have no desire to please us few thousand hardcores and a laughing media. They know the hardcores will masturbate while getting to vote for November Rain in the next online poll, and if GNR happen to tour, the hardcores will orgasm over Finck or Fortus playing a 20 year old song, and it also pleases the casuals who decide to show up.
So I ask everyone, what incentive does anybody have to release this album?? Don't toss out the 13 mil price tag, because 13 mil aint shit compared to the possible revenue of AFD over the next 10 years with a more intact legacy.
great post James - good to see you are still keeping it real
#932 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Next Chapter or the Grand Finale? » 911 weeks ago
well personally I think it's last chance saloon time this coming next 6 months.
there is zero interest/curiosity - it's all been said
I really hope he gets it together this year - I thought and still do think BH was irreplaceable to this lineup, but if he loses another member (Stinson or Finck say) surely thats game over?
#933 Re: Guns N' Roses » Best Nightrain Solo...? » 912 weeks ago
jimmythegent wrote:the man who created it
it has nothing to do with who created it, its who can play it better
it is possible to improve on things others made.
I realise that and duly too into consideration when choosing
#934 Re: Guns N' Roses » Best Nightrain Solo...? » 912 weeks ago
err.. something of a no-brainer for me
Slash without doubt - the man who created it
BH's is impressive but it's gotta be Slash
#935 Re: Guns N' Roses » Can interest (in Chinese Democracy) be regained? » 913 weeks ago
absolutley
Axl appearing on Bachs album is a little bizarre as is touring with him/having him as a mouthpiece etc...
The guy is not in the same league as Axl and all it serves to do is associate GNR with an era that they transcended back in the day but for some reason are still unfairly lumped in with to some extent - 80's hair rockers.
It continues to amaze me the poor choices he has continually made that have been tantamount to career suicide over the last 15 years.
#936 Re: Guns N' Roses » Questions » 913 weeks ago
Hey all and Merry Xmas!
I saw them live in Auckland in June and to be honest it was pretty underwhelming stuff. Wouldn't scrape into my top 10 concerts and this is coming from a life long Guns fan.
It was a blast to see Axl in person, but the band itself, although competent, lacked the magic. And Finck was a major disappointment - sorry, I just can't see what it is that some people think he brings.
So in answer to the initial question, if anything, seeing them live made me pine for a reunion even more and kind of completed this little period of Guns history for me personally. I'll be buying CD if it ever comes out, but I don't hold out much hope anymore and I really don;t care anywhere near as much as I did say 2-3 years ago. Too many naff excuses and crying wolf I'm afraid - the ship has pretty much sailed.
#937 Re: Guns N' Roses » Comparing Axl Rose to the greats » 921 weeks ago
I think Cornell is in a league of one actually, and prior to his death, Jeff Buckley
Axl had the attitude and gravitas mind, but I actually think there have been much better vocalists - although Axl is right up there with great frontmen in his day
He was damn fine singer mind