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Re: 101 Document Titles From Axls Laptop (No Actual Documents Tho)
misterID wrote:It's good to see you around, Dark. You need to stick around this time.
For the record, I hope I wasn't in the column of people saying Axl should hang it up. I was just saying that if all this leaks, I could see it being the thing that makes him do so.
Hell no, you're one of the sane people here who keeps things cool, Russ.
If any of this leaks, I kind of doubt it would have a big impact on the band. Outside Tommy, I don't think they get too emotional about things and just seem to roll with it.
There's probably been times Tommy and Axl have been at each others throats but they seem to always walk away buds. I keep thinking of the NYC show back in 06.
Re: 101 Document Titles From Axls Laptop (No Actual Documents Tho)
Yeah, I think they call that extortion. Pure journalism, right there.
The moment he makes a threat or alludes to doing something in lieu of receiving payment or compensation of some kind, he is done. He is toeing a fine line right now.
Ali
Re: 101 Document Titles From Axls Laptop (No Actual Documents Tho)
Interestingly, what is missing here is anything related to Bucket.
That's because Bucket is a saint and can do no wrong. 
Other than the initial statement from Axl after Bucket's departure where he accused Bucket of using GNR to capitalize on his own solo ventures(laugh laugh and karma bit him in the ass big time over that statement and continues to), he has never said anything derogatory towards Bucket and the blank check offered to Bucket in the days leading up to the Hammerstein shows says more than any "flash drive" could ever say. Bucket was irreplaceable and he knew it. He knew it in 2004, knew it in 2006, and certainly knows it now.
The sole reason they are there is because GNR is a known band and they can get attention for themselves and their otherwise unknown careers. Bumblefoot can sell an album 30x better than he could without them.
This goes back to the karma bitch slap by accusing Bucket of this. He never did no such thing yet everyone else who walks through the revolving door does it continuously.
December 2006 letter threatening to sue Zakk Wylde.
sic, wasn't this the month where Zakk mentioned a few tidbits regarding ancient CD recording sessions? Doubt he said anything monumental or newsworthy but if memory serves me correctly, it was around that time frame that Zakk made one of his few statements regarding the project.
It doesn't look like the Malibu Mafia is helping him.
In other late breaking news....
Water is wet.
Totally incorrect. anyone can work for free if they choose.
The rumor that Axl is behind on paying the band has cropped up in Velvet Rope forum discussions for months now.if you are making $50K a year and then Uncle Ax comes along and promises to take you out on $10K a week you would continue to hang in hoping for that pay day to come, especially if you have a contract and yes the exposure doesn't hurt either.
Ax has been sued for non-payment of bills in several cases now from Duff & Slash over royalties to a gallery over some awful sculpture to most recentky a Bentley dealer.
Not enough evidence to accuse Axl of not paying these guys, but the precedent was set many years ago with your examples and in the case of Gilby, he was never technically fired. He knew he was out of the band when the checks stopped coming in.
If you're a current GNR member and the mail man hasn't brought you a check in recent months, might want to start looking for a job.
if legit, who did this and why?
Patti Hood was pissed her harp contributions were a bit too low in the mix on This I Love. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned....
It's like a bad fan fiction story.
That's the entire Chinese Democracy saga in a nutshell.
Which leads to another question? Why would she keep a 7 year old email in her account?
A lot of people(including me) don't even bother deleting old shit like that. Having said that, if I had correspondence relating to a multi million dollar corporation, I think I'd wear out the delete button.
Not to be all Negative Nancy, but the release of these documents will destroy the new band....possibly sending Axl in to hiding forever. This is quite a potential disaster.
It's such a prolific, creative entity that I would hate to see the current band destroyed. Their discography is second to none.
put out an album only a couple of years back.
They put out an album almost a decade old and four of those members aren't even there anymore. The 2006-2011 lineup has recorded the same amount of music as me and I'm not even a musician. You're romanticizing the music from a lineup that doesn't exist and last but not least, recorded by a lineup that you weren't all that fond of yet rave on their music.
So thanks MSL for making another massive mess to fuck with the band.
If it wasn't for dark, MSL, and skwerl, you'd still be speculating on what Sorry and This I Love sound like and praying that "this is the year!!! CD starts now!!"
I know MSL received at least the initial bulk of his info on January 20th - and it had stuff as recent as January 18th (two days prior) in it.
Interesting. Means it was VERY recent and the GNR camp should have a much easier task of tracing the initial leak/hack/whatever.
if he can destroy the new band and create a buzz/cry for a reunion by starting new reunion rumors at the time of implosion the idea could become much more enticing for axl.
If 2011 GNR implodes, Axl is still young enough(barely) to assemble another group and make another run. Always wanted him to do an Audioslave type thing. This would be a great time to do it. If he cant do it, then just bring on the reunion in the next 2 or 3 years. If we gotta live in the past, just go balls deep and do it proper.
I find it kind of funny when people think Irv is in on it. Not only would he be breaking the law, but he'd be destroying his own career
Azoff destroy his career? That would entail the entire industry collapsing. I don't think Azoff has anything to do with it either, but no one needs to worry about Azoff destroying his career. The day his career ends is the day he drops dead.
The moment he was asking for money for it
I didn't like that aspect of it either and it changed my outlook on this crazy chapter.
Also didn't like how he claims to be a journalist. Bri is a journalist. So are a few other Evo members. MSL is not a journalist. Period.
It's great to see you back dark. There is always a seat available for you in our insane asylum. 
Thanks for offering some insight into this latest chaotic mess.
Welcome to the forum PPP.
Same to you Ali. I've seen you around these sites for years but never really talked with you very much.
Re: 101 Document Titles From Axls Laptop (No Actual Documents Tho)
I reordered the list into a chronological format the best I could to make it a bit more bearable to read. Here goes:
100. "The Honor of Thieves 2" - Axl book about the break-up of GNR
002. DJ Ashba's contract
006. Better_Gone.mp3
011. Chinese Democracy band member payments and recoupment
012. Chinese Democracy band producer charts
016. Better video treatment v1
028. Better video treatment v2
020. Chinese Democracy video treatmeant
023. Street of Dreams video treatment
017. Chinese Democracy World Tour Income & Expenses
073-074. October 2004 Beta email to Merck about how to trick Axl, Slash lawsuit, etc (part 1-2)
053. December 2005 Slash email threatening photographer
084. March 2006 Band and crew rehearsal payroll
054. April 2006 Axl Rose tour rider
052. December 2006 letter threatening to sue Zakk Wylde
022. Geffen Records contract for Second Album (January 2007)
082. February 2007 Unpaid studio and producer invoices
050-051. February 2007 lawsuit threat from fan hit with mic (part 1-2)
048-049. January 2008 Axl email about how many albums to release (part 1-2)
099. January 2008 Axl email about which songs should be on second album
096-097. January 2008 Axl letter about his feelings on Velvet Revolver (part 1-2)
098. January 2008 Axl letter detailing his uncensored thoughts on Slash
070. January 2008 Fernando email listing Axl enemies / Slash allies
047. January 2008 Shanghai and Beijing festival offers
001. Sheng Tang Music Festival PDF
071. January 2008 Sebastian Bach email about entering rehab
030-032. Robin Finck Resignation Letter (part 1-3)
063-064. June 2008 Beta letter about who deserves credit for Sweet Child O' Mine (part 1-2)
065. June 2008 Brain email about which producers deserve credit
066. June 2008 Axl email complaining about Tommy siding with Roy over Caram
067-069. June 2008 Dizzy email about which producers deserve credit (part 1-3)
033. July 2008 Axl letter to Robin about leaks
034-046. September 2008 Axl email about Slash, reunion, old members, etc. (part 1-13)
079-081. December 2008 Axl letter about why he's always late (part 1-3)
024. January 2009 email discussing possible replacements for Robin
083. March 2009 email outlining the tour dates with Van Halen
085. August 2009 Dizzy email begging for update from Beta
014. October 2009 Axl email to Bumblefoot about Duff rejoining
075-077. October 2009 Axl email about Duff wanting back in and people wanting Tommy out (part 1-3)
078. October 2009 Beta/Dizzy conversation about everyone wanting Tommy out
018. 2009 Band Rehearsal Expenses
019. Tour Income & Expense Summary Production rehearsals (11/09)
055-062. November 2009 Axl Rose letter to Irving Azoff about Beta, reunion, etc (part 1-8)
015. December 2009 Brain email submitting Better remix to Fernando
004. December 2009 Axl email dissolving GNR
013. January 2010 Axl email complaining about Dr. Dre
025. January 2010 email discussing new versions of Knockin' on Heaven's Door
072. February 2010 Axl email making NY plans
086-087. February 2010 Financial guarantees for each European festival in May (part 1-2)
091-093. April 2010 Income and Expense summaries Asia/Canada/South America (part 1-3)
094. April 2010 DJ Ashba email to Doc about Axl wanting to fire DJ
095. April 2010 Axl email dissolving GNR and insisting DJ Ashba be sued
021. 2010 Europe Leg #2 Budget Summary
088-090. May 2010 unpublished Axl tweet giving his side of the story re: Azoff (part 1-3)
029. June 2010 Caram Castanzo email about bonus tracks & second album
003. June 2010 Axl email dissolving GNR
027. July 2010 email outlining 2011 tour plans, including co-headliners
008. November 2010 Axl email bitching about Bumblefoot
101. December 2010 Doc email about Tommy refusing to play in Abu Dhabi
005. Doc's 2011 plan powerpoint
009-010. January 2011 email about cutting everyone's pay (part 1-2)
026. January 2011 Caram Castanzo email complaining about back pay
Re: 101 Document Titles From Axls Laptop (No Actual Documents Tho)
Thank you.
One question though for everyone who has said this may destroy new guns. What exactly do you think is in these docs that would destroy them? Certainly Axl hating on them isn't going to send these guys running away. Axl really doesn't sugarcoat his feelings and if he has dissed them in an email, he has probably done it to their face.
Re: 101 Document Titles From Axls Laptop (No Actual Documents Tho)
i obviously dont know axl at all but he strikes me like the kind of guy who will let you know if he's not happy with ya. i doubt anything about any band member wasnt known by the individual right off when axl got pissed about whatever may have set him off
welcome dark, ppp, ali 
thanks for the reorganizing apex
like olorin i am curious who the source wouldve been for providing MSL with the info, i even asked the question 4 pages earlier than him, outward appearances would suggest that it is someone close to axl, and someone that has been near him since at least 04....
also curious that that one email suggest that beta is trying to trick axl into something with merck...makes it doubly suspicious that beta was also known to have consorted with goldstien recently (and dougy appears on the "Enemy List") hey maybe they were working on a deck of cards like the US govt did for the saddam regime
hey james suggested patti hood....lets not forget that baz wanst happy either to be so low in the sorry mix
Re: 101 Document Titles From Axls Laptop (No Actual Documents Tho)
They are actually smart not to talk about it. For them to speak on it would get the situation way more attention than it is getting now. So far it's only been posted on message boards and Metal Sludge. An offical statement would end up on legit media sites.
