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Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler
Romney will be the GOP front runner. Cain is just enjoying his "I'm not Romney" poll boost like the others who preceded him. It is ironic that the GOP loath Romney so much, since ultimately he's the best chance they'll have to beat Obama. He appeals to moderates, and conservative Democrats where Bachman, Perry etc could never do that.
He could pick somebody dynamic for his Veep spot and that could turn everything upside down. Somebody nutty that the far right wing will love.
Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler
Great GREAT post, although I disagree about the 3rd party thing. I think for the first time since 1996 there's a chance for a real 3rd party to emerge. I'm actually kinda shocked Trump vanished from the spotlight. This was probably his best shot as he knows how to cut promos and would've fuckin' killed in debates. Wouldn't of made any points, but it would've been hilarious popcorn TV.
See, my problem with a third party candidate is this: It would more than likely be a billionaire who could fund his own campaign. Now, I'm not against this at all. I think their should be a level of corporate business sense involved. But again, this nearly always opens the door to someone who just isn't qualified. There's so much you have to consider on an international scale, especially foreign policy, and that's mostly where all these guys fail. Miserably. Look at Trump, his FP was absolutely laughable because of how utterly insane it is. You cannot tell another government what to do, or not to do. You cant bully anyone. Their not going to listen to you and you've probably just burnt a VERY important bridge. And if you try it, at least do it in a way that would work. Perot, for having some good ideas, admittedly, he was also pretty insane and didn't have a grasp on cultural changes nor the other problems outside just ecomonmic growth.
It's like all these old military guys who are really actually good at FP and national security, but they don't "get" the economy because that's not their world. Like how the billionaire can't see the forrest for the trees when it comes to the working man, his life, concerns, financial well being, and people who need a helping hand not a hand out. That just doesn't compute for them. Or how other nations operate and see the world.
Add to that a third part itself would eventually be co-opted at some point. I've always believed we'd have a breakaway group, kind of like the tea party, but more moderate, like the Blue Dog democrats, who alomst ousted Nancy Pelosi.
Third part nominee sounds really good, but always makes me suspicious.
Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler
Romney will be the GOP front runner. Cain is just enjoying his "I'm not Romney" poll boost like the others who preceded him. It is ironic that the GOP loath Romney so much, since ultimately he's the best chance they'll have to beat Obama. He appeals to moderates, and conservative Democrats where Bachman, Perry etc could never do that.
He could pick somebody dynamic for his Veep spot and that could turn everything upside down. Somebody nutty that the far right wing will love.
Yeah, Romney's going to win. But he's going to have to get a right winger, and I just can't think of anyone who'll be a home run. I've heard Marco Rubio, but outside his youth and his looks, he's pretty awful when it comes to policy, a bit too plastic, and will get eaten alive on the national stage.
My father is convinced Christie will be his veep. 1 - There's no way the guy wins the south. Too northern, too pushy, too abrasive. 2 - At some point he'll self destruct. He has no discipline. The regular Joe stuff only goes so far. 3 - He's not even popular in his own state. 4 - I seriously doubt he's physically able to carry out a national campaign. 5 - I'm not sure he's conservative enough.
Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler
I thought it was ironic that the far right were so vigilant about courting Christie. He's spoken out against their ridiculousness and essentially told them the "Sharia law" horseshit was just that....crap and fear mongering. Something that probably wouldn't play too well with them if they were ever aware of it. He does have that Palin attack dog persona they seem to love, and he's obviously much more intelligent than her. I did wonder if he would go the veep route after he announced his support of Romney (which honestly at this point of the race I found odd.) Guess we'll see.
Romney could team up with Cain for a few obvious reasons: Race and Teabagger support. I can't really see anybody else teaming up from that group right now though. It will be an interesting race, as well as general election.
The polling numbers tell all kinds of different stories. Obama has held steady for general likability. An overwhelming majority of people who don't like his policies still say they like him as a person. His overall poll numbers aren't that great, but compared to the GOP led Congress they are fantastic. When polled people also say they trust Obama over the Republicans to create jobs and turn the economy around. I suspected after 2010, and still think now, that the GOP would over reach and shoot themselves in the foot for 2012.
The latest polls I saw showed Obama ahead, or within the margin of error, with every GOP candidate. That's strong considering he is not really campaigning and they are at this point. Also people always forget that when Obama speaks...he's numbers surge.
With this, it still won't be a cake walk for him and Romney could very well win. Personally I think Obama speaks softly and carries a rather large stick. A great example of that is his debt ceiling negotiations. When it was over Bohner claimed he got everything he wanted, and the media portrayed Obama as soft. But if you really dug into the details you'll soon realize Obama was playing chess and the GOP were playing checkers. If Bohner really believed what he said, then he's truly an idiot who got played. I have to believe he was just saying it as a bluff and to save face. For this reason, among others, I would never count Obama out.
Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler
I think once the real campaign season starts Obama will start trending better. Especially if Romney is his opponent.
I thought about Cain being his running mate, too. Since Romney gave him props the other day. But again, Cain's 999 plan is going to really hurt him. Not to mention the relgious stuff isn't going to do him any favors, especially how intolerant he's coming off as.
Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler
I thought the same thing. Obama needs an opponent to really get more accurate polling data.
The 999 plan would raise taxes on the working man, hardly an endorsement the GOP want to embrace as their own. However, the GOP are brilliant at propaganda so the contents may be completely irrelevant. Working class Republicans constantly vote against their own self interest. Not to mention, "My 999 tax plan" sure is catchy ain't it?
Cain's religious stuff may empower the Christian wing, but it may also bring out the lefties as a protest vote. Guess we'll see how it all plays out. I still think Cain's numbers will drop over the next few weeks. Real curious to see if they hold.
Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler
Herman Cain couldn't answer specifics on his own 999 plan (actually he did, he said, "I have no idea") when pressed for a basic explanation on tax deductions. Not to mention that every sane, credible economist, conservative and liberal, have torn his plan apart, which, broken down, is just a huge tax increase on the poor and middle class, while giving bigger tax cuts to the wealthy. Not only that, but 999 would force states that currently have no state tax to implement one. So basically, it would shatter an already fragile economy, but help boost the top 1%, who btw, are doing better today, specifically under the current economic conditions, than they have EVER. Repeat, Mr. Kennedy.... E-V-E-R. Lets give them more and let everyone else fend for themselves, basically.
Now, add to that Ron Paul who believes that we really don't need a government, at least how it it's been since the inception of this country (he claims to be a constituional purist, along with other so called libertarians, who rode the tea party wave into congress, and as their first "patriotic," constitutional purity selves, they have already tried to change the constitution TWICE. Patriotic, heh?), basically eliminating the military, IRS, EPA and social safety nets. He also wants to repeal regulations to the point that civil rights could be deemed unconstitutional, and to perpetuate this conservative, survival of the fittest mentality that is absolutely destructive and goes against everything this country has been built on and evolved from. He would allow corporations to police themselves (that's worked so well in the past, eh?) and be given huge tax breaks to continue to ship jobs overseas and operate under lax, better yet, make that ZERO, scrutiny under federal law. They would actually write their own laws, basically allowing them to destroy small businesses and unions at their hearts desire. With no EPA they could dump those toxins anywhere, unleash any poison into the atmosphere and into anyones drinking water... Like they've done when it was illeagal, the good old days. Nothing would stop monopolies from forming. And people want to brag how he'd scale down our military? Our military would now be run under corporations and private contractors, ala Blackwater. Sounds great, huh?
I mean, other than that, Ron Paul would make a super duper president.
And that government spending people want to harp on, it only created our greatest technological achievments that have changed the scope of our entire planet and helped create billionaires and millions of private sector jobs. The internet = created by the US government. Sattelite systems = created by the US government. GPS systems = created by the US government. Cell phone systems and tech = US government. And on, and on and on... I agree it should be smartly and critically cut, but not destroyed.
We can't afford anything you listed above anymore.
Any other questions?
We want government, but we don't want tax hikes. We want entitlement programs, but we don't want tax hikes. We want government watchdog programs, but we don't want tax hikes. We want a military, but we don't want to allocate funds for kevlar vests, because we need to tack on another raise for the senators.
It sounds cliche, but the system is broke as hell.
Ron Paul's plan is not perfect, and I don't agree with him on everything.
The difference is Misser, is that Ron is telling you THE TRUTH. Which is pretty fucking bleak. Everyone else is blowing smoke up your ass and telling you and the American people what they want to hear.
Fixing this problem will require a complete scrapping of what we've done for the better part of the last century. To save our asses financially, we're gonna have to either go ALL government (socialism), or virtually NO government (isolationism).
I actually prefer the socialism option.
And btw, civil rights - are unconstitutional. Everyday in this country, whitemen are denied jobs they are overqualified for because of their color (Affirmative Action). Pretty much cancels out that whole, "nobody shall be denied a job based on their race, age, weight, orientation, disability" thing.
Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler
No, it wouldn't need to be scrapped at all. Everyone wants to talk about things in such an apocalyptic way and always have. We've always been in debt. Is it monstorous right now? Yes. Can it be fixed? Absolutely.
You have to be smart by restructuring the way Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are given out. You have to restructure the entire tax system. You have to restructure our entire trade policies. You have to revisit the middle class wage system. Reform Wall Street and the banking systems, not to mention the oil, coal and gas industries, concentrating (investing in) on more economical ways to power our nation. And most importantly, you have to reform the pharmaceutical and medical industries that have been gouging our social programs and are THE SOLE REASON that medicade and medicare are in toruble. Not the people who are receiving it.
This has nothing to do with our government, it has to do with the fact that every industry I mentioned above has Washington politicians in their back pockets and are funneling BILLIONS of dollars to sway and out right by policies. That's what's broken, that's what needs to change.
It doesn't matter if Ron Paul initiated every warped idea he has, nothing would change, no, things would be much worse, because he would not do a single thing to change the problem, he would make it worse.
I've been saying forever, if you took the money out of politics it would CHANGE EVERYTHING. It would effect everything.
If you agree you can make your voice heard here:
And civil rights are not unconstitutional but it's going to have to be revisited, though. I agree there. But we both know there are places here in the south who would absolutely have segregation policies if allowed.
Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler
The biggest problem with a Romney/Cain ticket would be defense policy, or lack thereof. Same with Christie, although I don't think Christie will accept a VP nod. He may wait it out, and see if there's much realistic chance of winning (ie. the economy tanks in the next year & Romney or whoever wins the GOP nom has a good chance of winning). Other than that though, he'll probably wait it out & run in 2016.
Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler
polluxlm wrote:How are you going to stop politicians from being greedy? Just like junkies will always get dope, government will always be corrupted. The only way to limit their depravacy is to make it small.
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