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Re: UK Government Starts Internet Censorship
Censorship of porn is almost never about porn itself. It's motivated by a desire to enforce societal conformity in thought and art. While I wouldn't argue that all porn is OK, I'm fiercely opposed to censoring it. It's just too big an avenue for government to attempt to legislate moral norms that should be allowed to arise naturally out of society. I'd also be willing to bet a fair sum that any attempts to ban certain forms of porn will be discriminatory and unfair - for example, gay porn will be much harder to access while violent heterosexual porn will likely still make its way to people. I have no faith in any government to be able to be a fair arbiter of what porn is acceptable or not. I think the best choice is to treat it as speech and leave it mostly free. The US Supreme Court's experience is informative here. They used to rule on a lot of obscenity cases relating to pornography and were so frustrated by the difficulty of establishing a coherent legal principle for them that they eventually just stopped granting cert to those kinds of cases and created the broad standard of obscenity we have today, which allows almost anything that can be reasonably argued to be of any merit, even artistic. And you certainly won't see SCOTUS ruling on what's art and what isn't when they can avoid doing so. It's simply too difficult, and flirts with very dangerous government power in an area of life (expression) that is recognized to be essential to functioning republics and democracies.
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Again this is just another over-reach of government authority to try to dictate what people should see and how they conduct their lives outside of the established reality. Government on it's best day provides health care when others can't get it otherwise or affordable college (which should be free and grade-based anyways), and on every other day... it's this. Continuing to try to dictate beliefs, morality, censorship, and what you do with every facet of your life all the way down to what you can and can't search.
Kinda like the U.S. elderly couple awhile back who searched "Pressure Cooker Recipes" and "Backpacks for trip" at the same time, and had the FBI raid their home.
But hey... Obama and the NSA don't spy on you -- shhh, "all is well"... "all is well"... "all is well"... 
Re: UK Government Starts Internet Censorship
Reversed? Are we taking bets?
I'll take that bet. I'll put $100 down on "NEVER EVER EVER EVER IN A MILLION FUCKING YEARS GONNA BE REVERSED"
I'd also like to put $100 down on "U.S. decides to implement TSA security checks for life"
Re: UK Government Starts Internet Censorship
polluxlm wrote:Reversed? Are we taking bets?
I'll take that bet. I'll put $100 down on "NEVER EVER EVER EVER IN A MILLION FUCKING YEARS GONNA BE REVERSED"
I'd also like to put $100 down on "U.S. decides to implement TSA security checks for life"
The UK isn't the US. The liberals over in the UK tend to be more liberal.
This is a non-issue in the UK. Just the "fucking tories" being fucking tories. They do this a lot.
It more than likely won't pass.
If by some act of the spaghetti monster it should then come election time in order to grab the youth vote someone Labour will promise to throw this out.
Even then no-one will really give a fuck. years down the line Mark is gonna turn to John in the pub and say "Hey remember when Cameron wanted to know our Porn habits? That was weird"
The reason this is happening at all is because Interpol set up a new Cybercrime division governments are being urged to clamp down on web crime. The tories took this to mean a crackdown on illicit materials online (in fairness to them I'm sure the brief was full of jargon) and came up with this dimwitted idea that was rolled out just as the new Cybercrime division opened.
The Cybercrime bureau is mostly dealing with fraud, identity theft, and black-hat hacking.
Again this is a non-issue. There doesn't tend to be much rage. The same happened with the dangerous dogs act. Stupid act. Bad way of dealing with a legitimate problem. Ran for a few years and eventually heavily amended to the point of not resembling the original act.
Plain packet cigarettes were another of Cameron's moral crusades. He just forgot about it after a few weeks. Same with minimum pricing of alcohol. It all went out the window.
Kinda like the U.S. elderly couple awhile back who searched "Pressure Cooker Recipes" and "Backpacks for trip" at the same time, and had the FBI raid their home.
But hey... Obama and the NSA don't spy on you -- shhh, "all is well"... "all is well"... "all is well"...
Obama fucked up. He should have done a 180 on Bush's relentless war against civil liberties.
Re: UK Government Starts Internet Censorship
I held my nose voting for Obama a second time, and with this Syria thing seriously regret it. I said it, Lofton warned it would come to pass -- Obama is Tha Carter II.
A radio guy I listen to put it best -- "George W. Bush drove the bus up to the cliff, stopped, turned it off, got out, gave the keys to Obama, who hopped in it, cranked it up, and FLOORED IT over the cliff".
I originally voted for Obama, because he was gonna continue Bush's foreign policy. Because in those days I actually believed that 9/11 WASN'T an inside job. I was drunk on Kool-Aid too. I still believed in God Bless America, mom's Apple Pie, Elvis, and grilled Hamburgers.
We live in a far more complicated world than that, and when I made those statements I did not have my hands on hard evidence that supported that even the Clinton administration was eye-balling taking away these liberties the more and more the Foreign Banks bought up bad American paper and property, and basically at this point own the Federal Reserve.
It's cliche at this point, but war is an industry. And these people are collectivists. Anybody that questions the bidding of the Fed is standing in the way and that creates a major problem for these people.
Obama is a puppet no different than Bush and is bought and paid for. Romney was another robot, so fucking stupid, they knew there was no one Obama wouldn't get re-elected. As I put it then, "he's got his re-election speech already written". I shoulda know something was up when he was giving those poor man MLK speeches, and all of his supporters wasn't to suspend 'term limits', that something was up.
As for the UK porn thing, you guys may be liberals, true liberals and in the end it will go away, but usually this spying thing doesn't go away. Case in point, the local counties where I live go on and on about how they bust those in possession or downloading of Child Pornography. So they pass all these local laws, or hide behind the state or federal ones that already exist, and then hide behind "protecting the children".
But most people don't pay attention to that having to mean that our local Sheriff's departments Cyber-Crime divisions are basically watching our download and search history. No one seems to have a problem with that. And then when you throw a bunch of uninformed evangelicals into it, there's a very thin line between Child Porn, and "Teen Cheerleader Gangbang". People feel real uncomfortable when the head coach of the football team is searching that kind of stuff, and suddenly an arrest gets made because of 'maybe'.
Even if the laws were to be reversed, the spying on what you're doing will never ever end.
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A radio guy I listen to put it best -- "George W. Bush drove the bus up to the cliff, stopped, turned it off, got out, gave the keys to Obama, who hopped in it, cranked it up, and FLOORED IT over the cliff".I originally voted for Obama, because he was gonna continue Bush's foreign policy. Because in those days I actually believed that 9/11 WASN'T an inside job. I was drunk on Kool-Aid too. I still believed in God Bless America, mom's Apple Pie, Elvis, and grilled Hamburgers.
Can't be helped that's the way the media portrays things.
As for the UK porn thing, you guys may be liberals, true liberals and in the end it will go away, but usually this spying thing doesn't go away. Case in point, the local counties where I live go on and on about how they bust those in possession or downloading of Child Pornography. So they pass all these local laws, or hide behind the state or federal ones that already exist, and then hide behind "protecting the children".
I'm not Brittish I've worked over there though. I wouldn't say they're "true liberals", there are just very different issues that shape the landscape there. The conservatives there are as liberal as the liberals on most issues and th e liberals can be more conservative than the conservatives. For example a liberal Govt in the UK went to war in Iraq and the conservative government there runs a lot of big government type social programs
But most people don't pay attention to that having to mean that our local Sheriff's departments Cyber-Crime divisions are basically watching our download and search history. No one seems to have a problem with that. And then when you throw a bunch of uninformed evangelicals into it, there's a very thin line between Child Porn, and "Teen Cheerleader Gangbang". People feel real uncomfortable when the head coach of the football team is searching that kind of stuff, and suddenly an arrest gets made because of 'maybe'.
Even if the laws were to be reversed, the spying on what you're doing will never ever end.
I agree the spying thing will never come to an end the bill itself however is unlikely to alst
Re: UK Government Starts Internet Censorship
Several months ago the EU ruled that the censorship was illegal? Cameron vowed afterwards that he'd fight to protect the UK's freedom to block/censor information.
I'm not looking forward to the Tories having complete authority over these lands with no one else to answer too if we leave the EU.
