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Re: The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024
Nope. Here's the video. Bare in mind that he supported it before the referendum campaign started.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world … 32651.html
Since the UK is leaving the EU anyway, it doesn't matter or at least that's what they can tell to the people that believed him.
Re: The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024
Every EU migrant can stay in UK after Brexit: all 3.6 million to have residency rules or get amnesty
Peter Dominiczak, political editor
7 OCTOBER 2016 • 11:07PM
All EU nationals currently living in Britain will be allowed to stay following Brexit, after the Home Office discovered that five in six could not legally be deported.
There are around 3.6 million EU citizens living in the UK, more than 80 per cent of whom will have permanent residency rights by the time Britain leaves the union in early 2019, official research has concluded.
The remainder – more than 600,000 people – will be offered an amnesty, with several Cabinet ministers telling The Telegraph that those citizens will be offered the right to stay permanently, in a policy that may prove controversial.
Theresa May, the Prime Minister, has refused to guarantee the rights of EU citizens currently living in the UK, saying she believes that the Government must not “reveal its hand” ahead of Brexit negotiations, which will begin when she triggers Article 50 next year.
Once an EU citizen has been in the UK for more than five years, they are given permanent residency rights.
Home Office research has concluded that when Britain leaves the EU, just over 80 per cent of EU citizens in the UK will qualify for residency, sources said. “The remaining people will, of course, be allowed to stay in the UK,” a senior source said.
“That’s a given. We just need to work out exactly how we do it.”
Another Cabinet source said: “They will be allowed to remain in Britain. But it is important that reciprocal agreements are made with the EU to ensure that British people abroad get the same rights.”
Although Cabinet ministers are privately giving assurances that they will all be allowed to stay in the country after Brexit, the Home Office is still working on a way to identify the exact number of Europeans living in the UK and establish how long they have been here. The amnesty plan is in its infancy and will raise fears that EU migrants could begin travelling to the UK in large numbers before Brexit.
Some officials believe the Government will, therefore, have to announce a cut-off date for new arrivals after which the amnesty would not apply.
The health department is also conducting a major study on arrangements with Spain to allow British expats to get free medical treatment abroad.
Liam Fox, the International Trade Secretary, was criticised this week after saying that the status of EU nationals living in Britain is “one of our main cards” in the Brexit negotiations and cannot be guaranteed.
He said: “The Prime Minister has made it very clear – we would like to be able to give a reassurance to EU nationals in the United Kingdom, but that depends on reciprocation by other countries.
“I think we would all hope that what we get is a totally open, reciprocal agreement where UK citizens in other European countries are free and welcome to stay there, as would those who have already settled in the UK.
“But again, as the Prime Minister said, to give that away before we get into the negotiation would be to hand over one of our main cards in that negotiation and doesn’t necessarily make sense at this point.”
As many as 1.6 million EU citizens resident in the UK come from the so-called EU14, those nations that were part of the EU before 2004, followed by 1.5 million from the eight Eastern European nations that joined 12 years ago.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 … iven-amne/
FAQ | Brexit and EU nationals living in Britain
How many EU nationals are there in Britain?
The Office for National Statistics says 2.1 million EU nationals were employed in the UK in the first quarter of this year – 224,000 more than in the same period in 2015.
Where are they from?
Poles make up the biggest group - there are about 800,000 living here since the EU's big eastward expansion in 2004. The next largest cohort is the Irish, with 385,000 citizens, followed by 300,000 Germans. EU citizens living and working in Britain legally don't have the right to vote in the EU Referendum.
What will happen to them after Brexit?
David Cameron, when he was prime minister, insisted there was no guarantee that EU nationals would automatically maintain the right to live in Britain in the event of Brexit.
Brexit campaigners rubbished this, saying there’s no way people who live and work legally in Britain would be deported.
The situation isn’t likely to change for at least two years while the re-negotiation with Brussels takes place.
So what’s true?
EU nationals already living in Britain at the time of Brexit would almost certainly have individual “acquired rights” under the 1969 Vienna Convention which means they can stay.
After Brexit, the ability of other EU nationals to live and work in the UK will depend on the immigration policy the UK adopts regarding EU citizens.
Re: The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024
Secret Boris Johnson column favoured UK remaining in EU
Unpublished article written by the foreign secretary before Brexit vote argues in favour of staying in single market
In a previously secret newspaper column, Boris Johnson said that Britain remaining in the European Union would be a “boon for the world and for Europe”
The foreign secretary wrote the unpublished remain-backing article only two days before shocking David Cameron by revealing he would be campaigning for Brexit.
Johnson is now seen as a backer of a hard Brexit, this week insisting the UK can get a trade deal that is “of greater value” to the economy than access to the EU single market, which he described as an “increasingly useless” concept.
But in the pro-EU article, revealed in a new book and published in the Sunday Times, he supported membership of the free trade zone. “This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?” Johnson wrote.
Sources close to Johnson said he wrote the article for the sole purpose of trying to articulate in his mind whether there was any merit in the remain argument and dismissed it out of hand as soon as he finished.
He also warned that Brexit would cause an “economic shock” and could lead to the “break-up” of the United Kingdom in the article revealed in the book, All Out War: The Full Story of How Brexit Sank Britain’s Political Class, by the Sunday Times political editor, Tim Shipman.
The book also claims Sir Lynton Crosby told Johnson to support Brexit once Cameron had ignored the election strategist’s advice to delay the referendum.
Among the other revelations, the remain campaign’s digital specialist, Jim Messina, apparently described Cameron’s pollster Andrew Cooper as “the worst I’ve ever worked with” for getting his forecasts about the vote dramatically wrong.
And it said Johnson “wanted to punch” Michael Gove after his Leave campaign ally ran in the subsequent Tory leadership race alone and in effect torpedoed the former London mayor’s candidacy and hopes of becoming prime minister.
Meanwhile, the Treasury has described as “totally untrue” a Mail on Sunday claim that the chancellor, Philip Hammond, was set to quit the government over its apparent shift towards leaving the single market.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 … ning-in-eu
The UK's Trump.
Fucked the country to move up the ladder.
Re: The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024
Considering the rises in hate crime, here's a great reminder why.
Re: The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024
Is Boris Johnson' hair real? Never seen such a ridiculuous haircut on a politician with a full head of hair.
And who names their kid Boris in England?
He's not the UK equivalent of Trump though. Not a quick enough mouth. David Cameron has better game than Boris.
Farage fits much better. Says controversial stuff, but with British eloquence.
Re: The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024
You love being wrong about everything.
Re: The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024
The completely impartial Breibart that pushed for Brexit and Trump.
Re: The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024
I very much doubt anything will come of this;
Brexit could be halted after Government admits MPs likely to have final say
Parliamentary vote on final Brexit agreement hailed as 'victory' by pro-EU MPs
Parliament has the right to reject the final Brexit deal, No.10 has indicated for the first time – raising the possibility that Britain’s EU exit could yet be halted.
Downing Street agreed it is “very likely” that MPs and peers will be given a vote once the withdrawal negotiations are finished, after the issue arose in the High Court.
The statement – after the Prime Minister repeatedly refused to give ground on demands for Parliament to have a say on Brexit – immediately triggered furious debate about the possible consequences.
One senior pro-EU Conservative MP called it a “victory for all those who believe in the right of Parliament to represents the interests of our constituents”.
And the prospect of Parliament exerting some control over the final settlement caused the pound to surge immediately against the dollar in exchange markets.
The development came on the third day of the legal challenge against the Government’s separate refusal to give Parliament a vote before Article 50 is invoked.
James Eadie QC told the High Court that Parliament would have to ratify any package hammered out with Brussels – prompting Theresa May’s spokeswoman to say it was an “accurate reflection” of the Government’s interpretation of the law.
It raised the prospect, at the very least, that MPs and peers could amend the Brexit deal if they opposed key elements of the impact on trade, immigration or other areas.
However, it could also mean Britain tumbling out of the EU – probably in early 2019 – with no deal whatsoever.
Mr Carmichael, a supporter of the Open Britain campaign, which wants close economic ties with Europe, said a vote in two years’ time was no substitute for a say on the terms for starting the exit.
He said: “It’s an encouraging sign that the Government has agreed to give Parliament a say on the final terms of Brexit. But there must be a role of Parliament before the end of the negotiations.
“The best place to start would be for the Government to commit to a debate and a vote in the House of Commons on the Government’s principles for the upcoming negotiations before they trigger Article 50.”
For the Liberal Democrats, Foreign Affairs Spokesman Tom Brake said the final decision whether to approve a Brexit deal should be made by the public – in a second referendum.
He said: “It’s telling that it’s taken a court case to get the Government to finally admit it will give Parliament say on the Brexit deal.
“The Liberal Democrats will fight to ensure the British people are also given a say over the final deal to ensure it is right for them.”
The Government has insisted it would not be possible to slam the brakes on EU withdrawal after the two-year Article 50 notice is triggered, early next year.
But some leading lawyers have argued there is nothing in Article 50 to prevent the UK withdrawing its declaration that it intends to leave the EU, if it chose to do so.
And that possibility was raised recently that Donald Tusk, the President of the European Council, who suggested the UK could later “determine if Brexit is really in their interest”.
Gina Miller, a London businesswoman, is leading the High Court challenge, demanding that MPs be given a vote on the timing of the invoking of Article 50.
Government lawyers oppose the case, stressing that the Prime Minister is legally within her rights to go ahead with the formal process next March, using Royal Prerogative powers.
The Attorney General Jeremy Wright argued in court that the court challenge is an attempt to “invalidate” the public’s decision to quit the EU.
Three senior judges – the lord chief justice, Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd, the master of the rolls, Sir Terence Etherton, and Lord Justice Sales – are hearing the case, which is certain to end up in the Supreme Court.
In the hearing, Mr Eadie said it was likely that Parliamentary scrutiny would include ratifying any new treaty reached with the EU during the Article 50 process.
He told the High Court: “The Government view, at the moment, is that it is very likely that any such agreement would be subject to ratification.”
David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, had previously acknowledged that Parliamentary approval was likely to be needed – when warning the House of Lords not to try to scupper Brexit – but Ms May had been silent.
Keir Starmer QC MP, Shadow Secretary of State for Exiting the EU, said: “The House of Commons needs to be involved in this process from start to finish. The issues involved are simply too important for the House of Commons to be side-lined until the end.
“A vote so late in the day would put MPs between a rock and a hard place. It would ask us to choose between a deal on the government's terms or leaving the European Union with no deal at all.
“That is an unacceptable position for us to be in.”
Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po … 68561.html
Re: The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024
I actually said this earlier on in the thread, in the immediate aftermath. How it would be a sign of our democracy in action if our elected MP's rejected the referendum, + since the vast majority of MP's were in favour of remaining.
Won't happen tho.
Re: The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024
Little bit of a warning.
Remember that Boris looked like a buffoon too during the most watched debate here for the EU referendum and they were called out on lies/exaggerations. Still some of the same background people running both campaigns.
The betting pattern that signals a Trump presidency isn't as remote as the world thinks
William Hill slashes odds on Trump victory amid betting patterns eerily reminiscent of those seen in the lead up to the EU referendum
It is news that will strike fear into the hearts of perhaps half of America and large chunks of the world outside of it.
Despite a calamitous week of campaigning, betting markets on the US election are almost a mirror image of those on Britain’s EU referendum at this stage. And they could be pointing to a victory for Donald Trump.
Bookmaker William Hill says 71 per cent of the money so far staked is for Democrat Hillary Clinton. But 65 per cent of the bets by number are for the controversial Republican.
That means a lot more punters are putting smaller bets on Trump, almost exactly the same pattern as was seen in the run up to the Brexit vote when the money was for Remain but the majority of bets were for Leave.
The bookie has cut the odds on a Trump victory from 11-2 to 4-1 over the past two days in response to a surge in bets for the reality TV star and businessman turned politician.
It comes despite a campaign bedevilled and derailed by ugly accusations of sexual abuse on the part of Trump from a growing list of women, together with his claims that the election is somehow being “rigged”.
William Hill’s spokesman and resident betting expert Graham Sharpe, an industry veteran of 44 years standing, said: “It’s very, very similar to the Brexit vote. There is a metropolitan media bias that says Trump can’t win, but they can’t vote. In betting terms, this is not a done deal. I see parallels with the Brexit vote at this stage.”
Mr Sharpe, the author of more than 25 books, mostly on the betting and racing industries, continued: “Some of the larger number of small bets on Trump can be explained by odds. When you have odds of 1-8 or 1-9 as you do on Clinton it’s not so interesting to the small punter. You tend to get bigger bets. We had one woman walk into a Northumbrian betting shop to stake £170,000 at 1-8 to win £21,250. She came in the next morning to stake another £13,200 to win £1467. She’d never placed a bet before but said she saw it as an investment.
“Trump at 4-1 or 11-2 will attract the smaller punters. But I don’t think that is only reason for the number of bets on him, and we have had to cut the odds on Trump three times in the last couple of days. This isn’t over.”
FiveThirtyEight in the US, which uses statistical analysis to produce a percentage chance of winning for each candidate, now rates Clinton at 88 per cent, based upon her widening lead in the polls, and at 85 per cent using its polls plus model.
Clinton’s lead in national US polls, and in the battleground states that are the keys to victory, have firmed amid continuing revelations over Trump’s past behaviour and his increasingly erratic public statements.
However, Fortune magazine noted that the Brexit vote showed “polls aren’t as accurate as you think”, even as many US media outlets were declaring that Clinton’s lead of seven points and rising made her all but “unbeatable” with three weeks of campaigning to go.
William Hill’s odds suggest otherwise. They put Trump's chance of winning at 20 per cent and rising. One reason to take note of that: William Hill doesn’t have that many American clients. The odds therefore reflect what people without any horse in the race think will happen. Punters may have latched on to the similarity of the forces behind Brexit and the rise of Trump. They include years of flat or falling incomes, popular discontent with the establishments of both countries and a desire to make them pay.
John Mappin, the hotelier and part of the family that founded jeweller Mappin & Webb, stands to make £103,000 from the bookie should Trump win. Mr Mappin, who owns Camelot Castle in Cornwall, has already made a substantial profit from backing him to take the Republican nomination at 20-1.
“I’ve only ever placed one bet – this one,” he told The Independent. Explaining that his conviction was based on conversations with Americans and his experience working in the country, he continued: “I was on baby duty with my son when I watched Mr Trump announce his candidacy. I saw the media had got it wrong. They were saying the guy has no chance. They were saying he’s doing this for a joke. That’s not the case. His supporters, they’ve been watching media bullshit for years and they see through it. Polls are very rarely reliable. I am more confident than ever that Mr Trump will win. ”
Those who view that prospect with horror can take some comfort from the fact that the odds say Trump is still a long shot to win the presidency. He’s just a lot less of a long shot than you might have thought.
Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world … 68196.html
