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PaSnow wrote:^ Yeah but damn if he wasn't the greatest.
Yea but for me...it matters how he conducts himself on and off the court. Is it safe to say that it doesn't matter to you what he does off the court?
No, I've heard he isn't perfect off the court. I'm not familiar to his political beliefs tbh. I do agree he could've done a lot more to society & inner cities than he did. Especially with all that money he made and still makes. I can't believe he's still makes a ton off Jordans lol. I would've been way off on that bet back when he retired.
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mitchejw wrote:PaSnow wrote:^ Yeah but damn if he wasn't the greatest.
Yea but for me...it matters how he conducts himself on and off the court. Is it safe to say that it doesn't matter to you what he does off the court?
No, I've heard he isn't perfect off the court. I'm not familiar to his political beliefs tbh. I do agree he could've done a lot more to society & inner cities than he did. Especially with all that money he made and still makes. I can't believe he's still makes a ton off Jordans lol. I would've been way off on that bet back when he retired.
MJ does a lot but doesn’t make a scene. Also he never made political statements. He was a business man. He wanted everyone to be an MJ fan and avoided politics.
https://m.mic.com/articles/130525/micha … .IoxTeWoUY
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PaSnow wrote:mitchejw wrote:Yea but for me...it matters how he conducts himself on and off the court. Is it safe to say that it doesn't matter to you what he does off the court?
No, I've heard he isn't perfect off the court. I'm not familiar to his political beliefs tbh. I do agree he could've done a lot more to society & inner cities than he did. Especially with all that money he made and still makes. I can't believe he's still makes a ton off Jordans lol. I would've been way off on that bet back when he retired.
MJ does a lot but doesn’t make a scene. Also he never made political statements. He was a business man. He wanted everyone to be an MJ fan and avoided politics.
In doing so, he chose money over anything and everything else. His policy was to make as much money as possible and throw it at charities.
How do we know that it actually made a difference.
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Smoking Guns wrote:PaSnow wrote:No, I've heard he isn't perfect off the court. I'm not familiar to his political beliefs tbh. I do agree he could've done a lot more to society & inner cities than he did. Especially with all that money he made and still makes. I can't believe he's still makes a ton off Jordans lol. I would've been way off on that bet back when he retired.
MJ does a lot but doesn’t make a scene. Also he never made political statements. He was a business man. He wanted everyone to be an MJ fan and avoided politics.
In doing so, he chose money over anything and everything else. His policy was to make as much money as possible and throw it at charities.
How do we know that it actually made a difference.
Not my job to judge shit. He is a business man, a job creator, and gives to charities etc. He was also in the public eye and a great role model during my youth.
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mitchejw wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:MJ does a lot but doesn’t make a scene. Also he never made political statements. He was a business man. He wanted everyone to be an MJ fan and avoided politics.
In doing so, he chose money over anything and everything else. His policy was to make as much money as possible and throw it at charities.
How do we know that it actually made a difference.
Not my job to judge shit. He is a business man, a job creator, and gives to charities etc. He was also in the public eye and a great role model during my youth.
That was all marketing and PR...
He was a diva just like Aaron Rodgers is now. Americans often analyze these situations in very simplistic ways.
1) are you famous?
2) are you rich?
That’s all it takes to be a good American.
You say that you’re not making a judgment but you are. And you’re placing an emphasis on money and fame. That’s why we have the substanceless cukture that we do.
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Americans often analyze these situations in very simplistic ways.
1) are you famous?
2) are you rich?That’s all it takes to be a good American.
You say that you’re not making a judgment but you are. And you’re placing an emphasis on money and fame. That’s why we have the substanceless cukture that we do.
Is Lebron any different in that he tweets his mind on politics?? I mean, is he not about the money yet left Cleveland to goto Miami & looks poised to leave Cleveland again?
Not trying to hate, I just think Jordan was a different era yet I can respect him for steering clear of politics. Again it was different times. Plus, would we want NFL owners or business owners tweeting their (Republican) thoughts?
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mitchejw wrote:Americans often analyze these situations in very simplistic ways.
1) are you famous?
2) are you rich?That’s all it takes to be a good American.
You say that you’re not making a judgment but you are. And you’re placing an emphasis on money and fame. That’s why we have the substanceless cukture that we do.
Is Lebron any different in that he tweets his mind on politics?? I mean, is he not about the money yet left Cleveland to goto Miami & looks poised to leave Cleveland again?
Not trying to hate, I just think Jordan was a different era yet I can respect him for steering clear of politics. Again it was different times. Plus, would we want NFL owners or business owners tweeting their (Republican) thoughts?
No...you’re missing my point. I just wish it wasn’t a forgone conclusion that Americans would hold someone’s opinion as weighted because they were rich and/or famous. We don’t worship gods more than celebraties in this country.
Lebron and MJ are good comparisons...lebron gets shit for using his labor they want it was intended.
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This is the stupidity of this administration's policy on immigrants. This makes no sense and does make the U.S. safer or more secure.
http://woodtv.com/2018/01/20/kzoo-docto … ars-in-us/
KALAMAZOO, Mich. (WOOD) — Even as the issue of immigration has been central to the government shutdown in Washington, a respected doctor at Kalamazoo’s Bronson Methodist Hospital who has been living in America for nearly 40 years finds himself in jail after U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents took him from his home in handcuffs.
Lukasz Niec is an internal medicine doctor putting in long hours as a hospitalist for Bronson. His co-workers describe him as the model of what a physician should be.
And now, he is sitting in a jail cell in Calhoun County with no idea of when — or if — he will be free to return to his patients and his family.
“In 1979, my parents were both doctors left Poland and took two suitcases and two small children, my brother was five and I was six and they came here for a better life for their kids,” said Iwona Niec-Villaire Saturday as she sat next to her sister-in-law.
Now, the siblings are in their mid-40s, she is an attorney, he is a doctor — they have been in America for four decades on a permanent green card.
“He doesn’t even speak Polish,” Niec-Villaire said.
On Tuesday, as Niec was enjoying a day off with his tween girls at his home on the lake in this exclusive neighborhood near Kalamazoo, three ICE officers came to his home, told him he was being taken into custody and took him to jail.
“The question I get asked all the time is ‘Why do you think this happened?’ I just really don’t know,” said Niec-Villaire.
ICE will not comment on the case and has held no hearings. A bond hearing may not come until February, and it is unlikely it will be granted, according to immigration law experts.
“Until this gets heard, which could be up to six months, he could be stuck in a prison cell and not helping and being with his family,” said Niec-Villaire.
The only spot on Niec’s record is two misdemeanor convictions when he was 17, one for destruction of property less than $100 and receiving and concealing stolen goods.
He pleaded to these charges more than 25 years ago under the Holmes Youthful Trainee Act that allows young first offenders to avoid a criminal record if they never offend again.
But ICE — a federal agency — does not honor that state plea agreement, something Niec did not know when he took the plea, according to family.
“These misdemeanors were just an adolescent making mistakes and learning from them,” Niec-Villaire said.
She said she and her brother are as American as anyone can be.
“He cannot back to Poland, a country he doesn’t know, he has no family at, both our parents passed away in the United States, he doesn’t know anyone, he wouldn’t know where to go,” Niec-Villaire said.
Now, Niec awaits his fate in jail.
“We did go see him on Wednesday, he was shaking, in an orange T-shirt, just kind of shell-shocked,” Niec-Villaire said
His wife says their two daughters need their dad.
“He’s an excellent physician, he’s loving, he’s caring, he’s an honorable husband and he’s always helping others,” said the doctor’s wife of two years, Rachelle Burkart-Niec.
Bronson’s administration would not comment on the case, but dozens of doctors and other employees are sending letters of support.
“He’s been, just completely the model physician that you want a physician to be,” said Dr. Hussein Akl, , also a doctor in Bronson Internal Medicine. “The only danger I can see him on is when he’s swinging his golf swing.”
Others who worked with Niece say they are dumbfounded and outraged.
“He’s exactly the kind of person our immigration policies should be encouraging to prosper here, he’s been here for 40 years, this is a ridiculous situation,” said Dr. Michael Raphelson who specializes in palliative medicine.
More than 25 people gathered at the home Saturday including friends and family.
“He’s just a good guy, I mean, he just is,” said Brent Richmond, a friend of Niec for 25 years, as he fought back tears.
Marc Asch, an immigration attorney in Kalamazoo said in the last year, ICE has broadened its scope meaning that cases the agency would not have gone after previously are now fair game.
“These days there’s less discretion being exercised in who they go after, they’re being more aggressive, generally speaking,” Asch said.
Asch said the government may not even have a solid case and it could likely end with Niec being able to stay in America — but that could be a process that takes months or even years.
It is also possible that ICE is targeting affluent immigrants of European descent to avoid the appearance of racial profiling.
But those who love Niec are not interested in becoming examples.
“He’s the person I call, whenever anything goes wrong or right and now I can’t do that and it’s breaking me up,” said Niec-Villaire. “This is a man that is needed in the community, not detained in Calhoun County Jail.”
