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Re: Americans oppose health care law despite supporting it
Ask Europe how paying for it is going...
What? I hope you're not saying that anyones healthcare systems are their problems, right??? I mean, you're ignoring the high-risk lending and borrowing practices of their banks, international trade imbalances; real-estate bubbles that have since burst; household debt, Greece and Italy's dishonesty, hiding their debt, the 2008–2012 global recession, the structure of the Eurozone itself, and our (banks) contribution to it.
Seriously, man....
Countries like Germany did what they were supposed to do and others took advantage of their prosperity and stability of those countries to be completely irresponsible.
Nobodies healthcare caused their problems.
Re: Americans oppose health care law despite supporting it
its called increasing taxes
i pay about 30% of my wages to taxes each year....but we get medical coverage up here amongst other benefits
for instance my daughter was in emerg the other day for 4 hours....free...including a perscription...and each time i (or any of my family) go to the doctor its covered by the gov't
how much does a routine checkup or a visit to the hospital cost you in america? just as a curiosity
Re: Americans oppose health care law despite supporting it
its called increasing taxes
i pay about 30% of my wages to taxes each year....but we get medical coverage up here amongst other benefits
for instance my daughter was in emerg the other day for 4 hours....free...including a perscription...and each time i (or any of my family) go to the doctor its covered by the gov't
how much does a routine checkup or a visit to the hospital cost you in america? just as a curiosity
I haven't been to the doctor in a bit, but I want to say it cost me $15. Hospital I think is $100, then some percentage, but it's been ages since I've had to use it. My wife is the expert on exact costs. Of course we pay through monthly payroll deductions, so it's not really $15, but I pay far less than 30% in taxes + premiums.
Re: Americans oppose health care law despite supporting it
And that's the point exactly Neemo. There's no way to do it without raising taxes. They claim over and over that it won't happen, but they also claim the mandate isn't a tax even though it wouldn't be constitutional (I know, it's not anyway, but no need to have that discussion again) if it wasn't a tax.
They know they can't pay for it, but what they're hoping is that people will like it so much that they don't object to the higher taxes when they have to come later. Or they will try to borrow even more money. Or both. They can't break even on it, and there's no way they can profit on it.
So as I've said from the beginning of this...I am all for healthcare reform that we can afford. I will never support it until they come up with a plan that doesn't include raising my taxes to pay for someone else's healthcare. Get a job...most of them offer insurance. When I moved I took a shitty job just so my wife had insurance coverage. The pay sucked, the hours were worse and it was salaried so I didn't get paid the 20+ hours of OT I worked, but I did what I had to do. I didn't look to the gov't to give me healthcare...I did something I didn't want to do to provide it for my family. Most people that can work refuse to take a job they deem "below them" in salary or prestige. Tough shit. I'll gladly pay for the truely disabled. I'll gladly pay for the vets struggling to find work when they come back from active duty. I will never support anything that pays for the lazy/unwilling to work.
Re: Americans oppose health care law despite supporting it
Well all 30% isn't healthcare...just saying that Canada's taxes are higher than the U.S. lol
I know. It feeds my point though. More taxes is the only way to fund it.
I was just saying that after my taxes and insurance is taken out, I'm still not paying 30%. I estimate 25%, but that's usually high and also includes any other payroll deductions I have except 401k - I'm throwing 12% into that in case I live long enough to retire. I'm not counting on social security either.
Re: Americans oppose health care law despite supporting it
Of course taxes have to go back to their NORMAL state BEFORE the irresponsible Bush tax cuts, that they couldn't even pay for. That's why they're temporary, you can't sustain them. Cutting military spending could pay for healthcare for ALL Americans.
All you're doing is ranting on what you think people are doing, and you have yet to back anything up with fact and dismiss anything that proves your point wrong. "Most people..." or "it's below them." These are your opinions, not fact. And they're not even the problem.
We waste more money on the rich, with tax cuts for corporations and people who don't need it, on military spending for companies politicans get kick backs for and all the subsidies to oil compnaies and farm companies, than all the lazy people living off the government put together.
You can't do enough cutting to the government to get us out of debt, or to save SS and medicaid. You have to abolish the Bush tax cus across the board. It sucks, but it's true. Then you need to restructure those programs along with the tax code to include deductions that benefit the economy and the people. It's not hard, they just don't want to do it.
Re: Americans oppose health care law despite supporting it
LOL. You're right. The fact that they are spending huge amounts of money on healthcare has no effect on it at all. LOL.
Can't talk to a socialist about money...they just think it grows on trees.
I already answered you, but you're ignoring it, yet again. Just throwing out generic terms like socialist (and not even using it properly, as most people do when they call people that) says that you know your argument doesn't hold water and that you don't know what you are talking about.
I've tried to talk to you logically, honestly, intelligently, and respectfully about this, and used real data to back up my arguments and to counter yours. But you are either in denial, or deliberately ignoring the facts just to suit your own ideological stance.
Healthcare seems to be your 9/11 conspiracy. You see what you want, damn the facts.
