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#1131 Re: Guns N' Roses » The year I learned how to stop caring and love the wait » 926 weeks ago

sic. wrote:

It's never really that simple.

We're fast approaching the one-year anniversary of Axl's open letter, in which he announced the tentative release date of March 6th, 07 for CD. He mentioned minor, minor additions were left to be made, while Merck in a subsequent open response revealed a deal would still have to be with the label. Merck also said they'd "needed the money [from the European & US tours] to be able to complete the album and keep the band alive"; the project had been self-financed for several years now, and wasn't about to change at the last minute. "The record company refused to conclude the renegotiation until we were ready to hand over the finished album and refused to prepare a marketing campaign or commission video treatments until they had it in their hands."

One year later, there is no album out. It's said to be finished but Universal wasn't about to strike a deal last year before Axl had delivered. The reasoning that follows now is "no album this year, no new deal with the label, no album turned over to the label".

The album may be finished, you say. Damn straight, could be. Last we heard was in 02/22, when Del James descended from the mountain where the fire hasn't ceased to burn in well over a decade. Recording was completed, and the band had begun the mixing process. Baz had integrated himself into the recordings seamlessly and will have his presence felt. In other words, Axl heard him sing a chorus for Sorry after putting out his open letter and realized he could chalk it under those minor additions.

That's one of those things that stand up when looking at the CD saga. More than once, Axl's taken fancy of something and started to figure out how to implement it on his record(s), in atleast one of the songs. This I Love had a friggin harp added to it when the song was over twelve years old; not to mention the oft-rumored Prostitute which's been described as a hard-hitting rock track, despite having everything aside the kitchen sink crammed in due to the modest orchestration by Paul Buckmaster (ten 1st Violins, eight 2nd Violins, six violas, and eight cellos).

They also toured this past year. Mexico, Australia, New Zealand and Japan (with apologies to South Africa); all very easy markets, where the enthusiasm for GNR today equals if not surpasses that of Europe. Merck said the touring money was needed when the label refused to budge. No doubt the album wasn't turned over by the summer, as touring without the album in those markets is best explained by the overall lack of funds. In that case, I hope Axl arranged his extravagant afterparties out of his own pocket instead of blowing some hard-earned dime from the band's war chest.

Axl has quite obviously put his own money into the project eversince February 2004. By now, he probably realized it's not a very healthy investment and by touring, he could get back the money he'd invested on top of Universal's $13 million. Even with royalty checks coming in, it's hard to believe Axl could sustain both the financing and his standard of living for years on without getting a bit worried. There are a few choices to resolve the matter; complete CD as well as possible with the money you're currrently willing to invest (which could mean no Baz sessions, btw) and crawl back to Universal - or tour, forget label money, cover your past expenses and perhaps even generate some surplus. In this digital day and age, touring already appears to be the main source of revenue of many artists. What a pioneer spirit Axl would thus be - generate money by touring and pour it all down to an album which a great many people will download, thus stealing you from the money you invested in the first place.

The problem only comes to play if Universal still takes as hard a stance as Merck suggested. No deal with Axl before CD means Axl could continue to negotiate with them and simultaneously finalize his album as long as he'd like, but they wouldn't give a damn before he'd actually turn it over. Every time he goes on tour, he buys more time. Every time the fanbase cares less. One might compare the situation to the Halloween parties he tends to host in Malibu.

Axl throws a costume party every Halloween for friends and their families. Enormous pumpkins ring the swimming pool, and spider webs hang in the trees. Specially built mazes and forts rattle with squealing children. Almost as excited as a child, Axl himself has been known to dash around and toy with every attraction. One past guest gets the impression that Axl is trying to re-create his own childhood, albeit one better than his actually was. The Halloween scene in the past few years hasn't been what it once was. "His parties have been getting smaller and smaller," recalls one recent guest. "The ever-shrinking universe." - RS, 2000

Of course, there's an exit. Various ("final") mixes of several songs do exist; the catch-22 is that they are behind a lock and key due to Axl's (n)ongoing negotiations with the label. If you'd ask the band, the response would be that there are no "final mixes", because those'd be the ones that would eventually be featured on the album. But then there are these "work-in-progress final mixes", which are an excellent way to measure the public interest regarding the project, and the only way imaginable to shift the pressure back to the label's end. "Release it before it all leaks, along with your $13 million."

If, by now, Axl has a trilogy of discs being readied, he has a good amount of potential tracks that might trickle out in the times to come. Those three tracks on Angel Down were nothing if not a short run of leaking Sorry. As long as the stalemate persists, Axl needs to remind everybody of what they're waiting for in the first place. That's the only real way to keep the audience on his side, and he does need to gather some major outside interest if he'd want to impress Universal.

Next year, the stakes get even higher as Axl's not getting any younger. 46 in less than two months, man. Isn't it time to take the stage again and say just one word?

"Sorry."

Great post sic. A+.

#1132 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Voted Classic Rock Magazine Album Of The Year 2007! » 926 weeks ago

AtariLegend wrote:

Did classic rock, not also here "Atlas Shrugged", "Silkworms", "Ryiad", "Prostitute", along with the other demos.

Wasn't that article/editor guy Neemo was replying too, when they asked the article to be took down...?


Either way I think this is cool... And people should be happy smile.

Absolutely. I'm a big fan of Classic Rock, and I'm glad that they are keeping GN'R alive. The more the record company feel the demand, the more the general public shows interest, the greater the chance we're going to see the music finally see the light of day.

Common Ricky Hatton!!!! (Sorry I just had to get that in)

#1133 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Voted Classic Rock Magazine Album Of The Year 2007! » 926 weeks ago

AtariLegend wrote:

Did classic rock, not also here "Atlas Shrugged", "Silkworms", "Ryiad", "Prostitute", along with the other demos.

Wasn't that article/editor guy Neemo was replying too, when they asked the article to be took down...?


Either way I think this is cool... And people should be happy smile.

Yup.

They don't have to give two shits about GN'R. But they do, and I think thats good. Once the media stop caring at all, that really could be the nail in the coffin for GN'R.

#1134 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Voted Classic Rock Magazine Album Of The Year 2007! » 926 weeks ago

They also voted 'Better', 'Chinese Democracy' and 'The Blues' in their top 200 songs of the year.

I genuinely think they like the leaks and are trying to gently prod Axl into releasing the album. A bit like I think Bach is.

#1135 Re: Guns N' Roses » How will the delays effect C.D.'s sales? » 927 weeks ago

I honestly think another 6-8 month 'silent' period with no definite release date most 'hard core' fans will just give up and find somewhere else to place their loyalty. The public might give a shit, but the music will have to be good and Axl will have to get out there and promote the damn thing

#1136 Re: Guns N' Roses » Another Year Almost Gone By » 927 weeks ago

The whole 'Mysteron' thing used to be vaguely interesting in the Dark Ages of GNR, almost like a glow worm keeping the feint hope of a new GNR album alive. Now it just seems a bit childish to me. I just don't get what the point of him/her is - if there was something to say then the band could say it, if there's nothing interesting then just keep your mouth shut.

But I guess they like it that way, to keep people coming back

#1137 Re: Guns N' Roses » Another Baz interview, couple of interesting things » 927 weeks ago

The cynical part of me thinks that Axl is drip feeding information through Baz to the fan base.

One thing I'd love to know is whether Axl is up for doing interviews and general PR. The record must expect him to do this, maybe he doesn't want to and that is causing some of the disagreements.

At least its good news to know the record company are engaged at some level.

#1138 Re: Guns N' Roses » Another Baz interview, couple of interesting things » 927 weeks ago

'We had to play music that we recorded together for Jimmy Iovine, who is the head of Interscope, who has Axl signed, and he loved it when he could've said, "No." So Jimmy knew how important it was to Axl and said yes'.

I guess this was referring to the Angel Down songs not 'Sorry'.

Finger's crossed we'll hear something soon. An announcement of a four album staged release would be about whats needed in my opinion to get people interested.

#1139 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy given a Feb. 12 release date on Amazon UK » 928 weeks ago

Backslash wrote:

From an accounting standpoint, I wonder how Amazon recognizes revenue.  You'd think it'd be foolish on their part to set up an unearned revenue liability whenever they say an item is available for pre-order, because every year they're making the liability grow.  Unless they are also setting up a prepaid expense for ordering the album or something.  However they're doing it, it's backwards until the album actually comes out.  They could even offer albums for pre-order to overstate their revenue and make it look like they're earning more than they actually are.  It's silly.

Given the length of time its taken to get to market, they're probably expecting to defer their revenue over a  10yr time period or so, to account for any unforeseen and highly probable delays in the CD getting from record company to record plant to warehouse to local store.

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