DCK wrote:

gnfnraxl wrote:

So by reading a few posts.  I can se that Axl not going is not appreciated and at the same time Izzy not going makes him cool and a bad ass.  Why the double standard?

Because in theory, people think it's because of Axl's antics. Axl makes a scene, Izzy - the flat down scared dog that he is, runs.

And therefore, he is well excused and still super cool.

In reality, that theory holds as much credibility as

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Of course it's a lot more complicated than that, and Izzy got his own reasons.

This is not true.

Here's the reason Izzy is the man and Axl isn't.

IZZY is not coming because of the ACTUAL HALL of FAME, and all of that bullshit.

Axl is not coming because of Slash, and Axl being a pussy. All that thinly veiled bullshit about "the hall not making the pussy be welcomed", is just that -- crap.

Otherwise Axl wouldn't have made a point to bring up the members, ask for his name to be removed from the induction, and specifically take a swipe at Steven AND Matt AND leave a picture of the 2009-12 GN'R as a bonus picture to go with the letter.

Axl's not coming because Slash will be there, and he wanted some of the new Guns in the Hall (what a joke, if nobody "Gets" why this is, they need to take the bottle out of their mouths).

Izzy's not coming because Izzy just doesn't do this kinda stuff. Izzy is a total throwback. BUT I will agree it would've been cool if he man'ed up for the fans, and showed. All of those great solo albums of his we buy -- is because he was a GUNS N' ROSES member.

If Axl Rose had wrote a letter like Izzy's and left it at that, I swear to God I would not be giving him the shit today that I am. But no, the pussy actually talked TOO much, and shot his own self in the foot. He revealed his true reasons, while blaming the Hall.

buzzsaw wrote:

Mikkamakka wrote:

Axl had a chance to be there. He had a chance to perform. He refused both, and even the award. Now some other people who created AFD and the UYIs will likely play with some fill-ins. Booohoooooo. I totally support that those who have the balls and the respect for the fans and for their _own_ past to be there, play some songs. If Slash and Duff would be AWOL for whatever hack reasons, I'd FULLY SUPPORT the idea of Axl's new band playing. Now Slash N' Co will play, possibly. I hope they will. That'd be more rock and roll then not playing or sitting in a truck in Indiana, or watching baseball in Malibu.

I don't really blame Axl for not playing either.  It is what it is.  He could have/should have handled it better.  I don't blame Slash and Duff if this how they decide to handle it.  They all get to do as close to what they want to do as possible.

I don't get the Izzy thing though, and now highly doubt there could ever be a true reunion tour even if Axl and Slash somehow patch everything up.

Agree. I don't blame Axl. He is what he is, whatever sad is that. I think Izzy could have gone (could go?), but for whatever reason he's likely to stay home. Maybe he is what he is, too, and too old to be different, even for this night.

I also agree on the reunion chances - I wrote it off years ago because of Axl, but as it seems, Izzy would be another roadblock of a true reunion. I had that dream (well, smaller than JFK...) of them standing next to each other, accepting the award, acting civic for 5 minutes, then that's it, the final chapter is over, they go serarate ways. Forever. Well, the latter will happen

But I find it ridiculous that some people now finally found a ground to side with Axl after the amount of bullshit was unbearable even for a lot of his hc fans in the past few days. This ground is that the others may DARE to perform without King Hysteria. What's the big deal? They won't call themselves Guns N' Roses. In fact, with a performance, they risk a lot, cause Myles is not Axl, for sure. Nobody is, except himself. So they can lose as much as they can win. So it's a ballsy move.

I don't know when they gotta know that Axl won't go. My guess is that after his letter. So in this case they had 3 days to find a singer, cause Izzy won't go either. For political reasons I would have chosen somebody else than Myles. But for artistic reasons he was the best choice. He knows the songs, he's been performing them for almost 2 years and he can sing very well. He's a trained professional and hits all the notes. Maybe doesn't have a rasp, doesn't have a strong stage persona, doesn't have the anger, maybe his voice is getting thinner in the higher register, but sings those songs properly. Prolific. Better than asking Kid Rock to sing PC, atlhough that wouldn't be a shock either.
I still hope though that there will be a song, maybe It's So Easy with only Duff, Slash and Steven (and possibly Gilby). That'd show the others that performing at an award show for 15 minutes isn't 'rocket surgery'. It's really so easy. If you have balls.

It's standard in a court case to argue things in the alternative.

So the reasoning would be:

Alternative 1: The document signing the rights to axl is void because the partnership had already been dissolved.

and then in the case that the court doesn't accept that - then whatever other alternative reasons it may be void - duress etc.

Anyway, of course they didn't claim it in court - as like I said - it doesn't meet the technical requirements of duress.

However that doesn't mean that they weren't otherwise manipulated into signing it for pragmatic purposes  due to their own battles with substance abuse and a long standing (even then)  pattern of volatile and abusive behaviour from Axl.

I hate to take sides in this kind of thing. Sick bit is I love Chinese Democracy, great album, I'm just saying the way Axl took control of the band is way uncool.

Legally it wasn't blackmail, it wasn't duress - but Slash and Duff deserved a day in court to have a go at establishing it was. They couldn't because it didn't mean the technical requirements for that.