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#181 Re: Guns N' Roses » The "Best Buy" leaks » 872 weeks ago
Thanks, CSS.
I added that to the Big Box thread.
Makes sense. CD needs all the push in the world, and an exclusive deal with Best Buy presents the opportunity to pull a very Azoff-ian stunt, which would be a Sunday release. Also, Billboard recently reported that while the deal was pretty much done by the time of the internal listening party, the release date itself was still in negotiations. They would've been gunning for the next Tuesday (11/25) to make it for Thanksgiving, but the switch up to the preceding Sunday and the slight tinkering of the Billboard chart might've well been the thing Azoff discussed with Best Buy.
Frankly, I think CD needs all the push it can get, while Geffen seems intent to just release the beast and get over it. Azoff's seemingly orchestrating enough outside help so that Geffen agrees for the release and might actually get some money back. Ax has the legend to capitalize on, and for someone like him, press is always available.
We'll know better after Body of Lies comes out, as 11/23 is six weeks away. If old man Irving can't pull this one off, no-one can.
#182 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Bumblefoot Interview (w/ Shackler's Info) » 873 weeks ago
Axl S wrote:ereeper wrote:What about the 5th Beatle?
I'm the fifth beatle.
I wrote Don't Cry.
I am the Yoko Ono of GNR.
#183 Re: Guns N' Roses » Del James Interview » 874 weeks ago
Now I placed it. Del's talking about the autobiography Baz said Axl's writing. Therefore, we have an Axl book in the cards somewhere down the line after the album comes out.
#184 Re: Guns N' Roses » Watch You Bleed: The Saga Of Guns N Roses » 874 weeks ago
Here are excerpts from Chapter 12, which recounts the demise of the old lineup and the beginning of the CD saga. To me, it's among the most interesting things the book has to offer. A lot of rehash, some stuff I hadn't seen before, including Robert John's account on the new GNR organization and the bit about Greg Wattenberg serving as Axl's personal vocal producer in 2001.
It must be noted though, that while the author has done a fair degree of homework, he still gets his years gleefully mixed up every once and a while. Also, I remember reading more than one thing he writes about from other sources (including Slash's biography and the New York Times article), so a lot of it is plain old rehash, just like Mick Wall's book.
A pity, really.
#185 Re: Guns N' Roses » The "Best Buy" leaks » 874 weeks ago
Axl sang the last line of CD as 'they all reach out for your hand' (or whatever it exactly is) in early 2001, as well.
That's the 'original' ending, if you may.
#186 Guns N' Roses » In remembrance of breathing out as CD may finally appear » 874 weeks ago
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First off, the CD release is now closer than it has ever been. There's no point in beating around the bush and we might as well collectively admit it. We're closer than we were in the last times, which were late 2000, late 2002 and late 2006. I don't count the infamous March 2007 tentative release into the equation, as it became apparent fairly soon into the year that Axl kept recording bits n' pieces and ultimately, was going to miss the moment. There's no great hype going on this time around, no worldwide anticipation we last experienced two years ago. The general response now seems to be, 'So it'll come out. Great. About time to move on.' Interest rate is in null and void, with or without new management, Rock Band 2 and Body of Lies.
Which is actually a good thing.
Guns N' Roses solified their near-mythical status in modern music with the release of the UYI's and the controversial events of the everlasting world tour. Izzy left, riots ensued, Izzy came back. Axl ranted about whatever he felt was wrong in the world, be it harsh conditions of growing up in Indiana or Warren Beatty taking his sweetheart to dinner. GNR left the limelight in a glorious fashion, turning itself from a lean and mean underdog into a decandent rock n' roll monster, claiming the throne just in time for Kurt Cobain to rise as the challenger, the Axl Rose of grunge. The remnants of GNR stepped down and self-destructed with a whimper as Cobain ended the story of Nirvana with one decided bang.
As time passed, everyone began to look back for Axl to come back and finish what he'd started. But Axl never fully arrived.
Axl's glorious quest to record the ultimate rock album received a mythic status before a single note was even heard in public. Such was his status that people truly believed he could deliver without any other members of the original lineup. Such was the desperation and disarray after Cobain refused to take on the mantle Axl'd left behind. Chinese Democracy became a symbol, a hail-mary chanted throughout the 90's as drought swept across the rock charts. Axl would deliver, basically because he had to, because the alternative would've meant that all hope is gone. For a time, this belief was shared by the music industry, the press, the fans and Geffen Records.
Little by little, all of them started to catch up with the fact that they'd been fooling themselves; ruefully speaking, using their illusions. Axl may be able to deliver a good album, yet CD can never be all things for all people. The bar was simply set at an impossible height.
As the Great Work has finally been completed, Axl reportedly has several albums in store. The question now remains, why should anyone give a damn anymore. CD itself will feature perhaps around 3-5 tracks which have so far gone unheard. The existing songs will introduce a varying amount of bells and whistles not yet realized in versions heard in the course of the past seven years. If anything, the fanbase will be provided with a much-needed closure to an overlong saga, in which the music itself hasn't proved to be the final punchline. Axl may come out of hiding to provide some answers to the never-ending process, which may be more interesting than the umpteenth ('final') version of Madagascar.
Ironically, this may prove to be the collective salvation of the GNR fanbase. No longer are we bracing ourselves for a leap to the unknown, wondering how the album will sound like. We know what it sounds like, the important thing now is to put the White Elephant into history books and see if Axl has some additional tricks up his sleeve before the almost-inevitable reunion.
Axl went out into the wilderness in the halcyon days with a prospect to return as a conquering hero. After so many false starts, heightened expectations and various disappointments, he may have finally succeeded in downgrading his version of GNR from the rock god status preserved for the old lineup (and the aformentioned reunion), and might finally be entitled to a fair trial and evaluation by their existing merits.
After all this time, it's a good thing for Axl, his band and the fans in general. Never mind the second coming, here's to just an album!
#187 Re: The Sunset Strip » Paul Newman 1925-2008 » 874 weeks ago
Cool Hand Luke. Butch Cassidy. Reggie Dunlop. Fast Eddie Felson.
Whenever I saw Paul onscreen, he always lifted the narrative no matter how truncated it was, as he carries that aura of stardom with him. It was both fine and painful to see him in The Road to Perdition, witnessing how fragile he'd become in less than a decade.
#188 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bob Lefsetz: Best Buy Deal confirmed/Azoff response to leaks » 874 weeks ago
If you ask me, Azoff's quite obviously forcing everyone's hand in meeting the November release date.
The Dr Pepper thing send out a signal that GNR is enthusiastic over a 2008 release.
Shackler was put out to secure the Big Box deal.
The Big Box deal is apparently now in place so that Universal can feel comfortable in finishing the negotiations with GNR and putting the album out.
And Neemo, you're definitely on the mark with the 8 weeks. Uni needs to say yes very soon, or this may still get ugly. But Azoff's got some big deals in his pocket in regards to CD, and Uni may realize that this is their last chance to get some money back.
#189 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bob Lefsetz: Best Buy Deal confirmed/Azoff response to leaks » 874 weeks ago
That confirms it - Silk Worms will be on the album!
#190 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses on Universal Music Group Release List » 874 weeks ago
Since BP confirmed it, I put it into a new topic.
http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=4619
All future discussion on Body of Lies there, s'il vous plait.