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- Captain Winkler
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Re: Watch You Bleed: The Saga Of Guns N Roses
i am buying it, its naive to think that an autobiography is any more legitimate/reputable than any unauthorised biography, mainly because theres nothing more biased than ones own account of things. sure, if its not a reputable writer than the information is probably not worth the paper its written on, however as previously mentioned this guy knows his shit, it wouldn't be outrageous to say that this is a more accurate rendition of events than slash's book, or at least, there'll be a little less self-glorification.
Re: Watch You Bleed: The Saga Of Guns N Roses
"The last of the great rock bands"
You can't expect people to believe GNR are or will be the last great rock band.
I usually don't check out unauthorized bio's. So i'll wait until the jury comes back on this one.
Actually that's a 100% accurate statement. GN'R, at this point, were the last great rock band to roam the earth.
Re: Watch You Bleed: The Saga Of Guns N Roses
Saikin wrote:"The last of the great rock bands"
You can't expect people to believe GNR are or will be the last great rock band.
I usually don't check out unauthorized bio's. So i'll wait until the jury comes back on this one.
Actually that's a 100% accurate statement. GN'R, at this point, were the last great rock band to roam the earth.
No it's completely false. Rage Against The Machine are the first one to come to mind, NIN (if you class them as a rock band) and there have been loads of other great rock bands over the past fifteen years. I'm sorry, and this isn't meant as an offense, but anyone who thinks GN'R were the last great rock band needs their ears cleaned.
- Captain Winkler
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Re: Watch You Bleed: The Saga Of Guns N Roses
rage against the machine....rock? surely you jest, that rapcore shit has played a fundamental role in the demise of good rock n' roll music since the 90's.
Re: Watch You Bleed: The Saga Of Guns N Roses
Here are excerpts from Chapter 12, which recounts the demise of the old lineup and the beginning of the CD saga. To me, it's among the most interesting things the book has to offer. A lot of rehash, some stuff I hadn't seen before, including Robert John's account on the new GNR organization and the bit about Greg Wattenberg serving as Axl's personal vocal producer in 2001.
It must be noted though, that while the author has done a fair degree of homework, he still gets his years gleefully mixed up every once and a while. Also, I remember reading more than one thing he writes about from other sources (including Slash's biography and the New York Times article), so a lot of it is plain old rehash, just like Mick Wall's book.
A pity, really.
Re: Watch You Bleed: The Saga Of Guns N Roses
Yeah, Please never put RATM in the same sentence as GNR cause they are NOWHERE near GNR on any level whatsoever.
When they jam together, Tom Morello plays rhythm for Slash. Zach whatever his name is would be as famous as me if he were standing next to Axl.
Re: Watch You Bleed: The Saga Of Guns N Roses
Here is a quote I received from Alan Niven regarding some of the information Stephen Davis has written in this book. He has given me permission to post his email comments:
"Having dipped into Mr Davis' book I can only say that he remains a trash rummaging hack.
It is quite apparent that he has no intent to truth but is determined to sensationalise and fabricate for the single purpose of personal profit.
For one thing, regurgitating the shameless crap from a well acknowledged drama queen and liar like Tim Collins serves no useful purpose whatsoever. For another thing I never hit Collins, although the notion crossed my mind. My infuriation with him was due to his airing of GnR laundry in a post tour BAM interview. A tawdry betrayal given how much money we made for him and his band.
Furthermore, a deal is a deal. I had no intention of blackmailing him for more money. That may be his idea of business ethics but not mine. Touring with Aerosmith was a critical move and a great moment in rock n roll. It remains the high watermark in the original Guns' live activity. I will always appreciate the opportunity that the band Aerosmith provided to Guns, even if Geffen did twist Collins' arm to get it.
And for the record, I prevailed on Rosenblatt to instruct Collins to take GnR out. Collins had reputation of being afraid of David Geffen and would do as instructed by the label, whatever they commanded. After Axl's meltdown in Phoenix in 1988, we were having a hard time getting anyone to take the band out. ACDC and DL Roth both pulled away offers to open as a result of that incident.
Furthermore I never supplied porn or anything like to the band.
I stand by the fact I quite obviously did my job and did it well. For example, whilst Collins failed to persuade Geffen to better the Aerosmith contract, I did manage to get David to improve the GnR contract. No other manager has had as productive relationship with GnR and the original band members still function on the results achieved during our relationship.
All Mr Davis's references to myself are erroneous. I can only imagine what other unadulterated garbage the rest of his worthless book contains. His sources seem to be old interviews, and the books of others, along with conversations with marginal characters, parasites and assorted hangers-on, some of whom are well known to be self inflated and self important blowhards who have made careers out of their willingness to talk tripe to anyone who knows their name.
All in all I would recommend Mr Davis's book only to anyone who has run out of toilet paper."
Alan Niven
