monkeychow wrote:

bobo wrote:

better is driven by robin's guitar. this i love is driven by robin's guitar. there was a time is driven by robin's guitar. street of dreams is driven by robin's guitar. irs is driven by robin's guitar. catcher is driven by robin's guitar. i could go on and on how robin drives chinese democracy with a guitar

I think we're not talking about the same thing. Better is admittedly a possible exception. But the other songs you list have GREAT guitar in them - but they are not guitar LED songs.

For example - what happens if you take "Street of Dreams" and remove the guitars - you still have a functional song with the piano parts. All you loose is some background chording and the solo.

Same with TWAT - there's the 99 demo that's the verses with all synth...the guitar only becomes important to twat in the second half. Those songs are led by the other instruments and robin comes in and does some great guitar. But you could have the song without those guitar parts and it could still function.

But what happens if you take away the guitar parts from Jungle? Or ISE? or out to get me? You can't. There's no song left other than the lyrics. Those songs are led by the guitar lines in them as the key element.

Thus, it's more important on a song like Jungle who is behind your guitar than it is on a song like street of dreams.

AFD is a guitar driven album, chinese is a great album but it is more of a mult-instrumental piece.

bobo wrote:

robin does all the big solos on chinese democracy like slash does on appetite and illusions. what big solos does bumble do? buckethead does prostitute. what does bumble do

chinese democracy is robin. furthermore, robin is the lead guitarist of the record. not buckethead or bumblefoot

No.

CHINESE DEMOCRACY - Robin Finck, Buckethead
SHACKLER'S REVENGE - Bumblefoot
BETTER - Buckethead, Robin Finck
STREET OF DREAMS - Robin Finck, Buckethead
IF THE WORLD - Buckethead
THERE WAS A TIME - Robin Finck, Buckethead
CATCHER IN THE RYE - Bumblefoot, Robin Finck, Bumblefoot
SCRAPED - Bumblefoot, Buckethead
RIAD N THE BEDOUINS - Bumblefoot, Buckethead
SORRY - Buckethead
IRS - Robin Finck, Buckethead
MADAGASCAR - Buckethead
THIS I LOVE - Robin Finck
PROSTITUTE - Buckethead

Robin plays a lead guitar line on 7 tracks.
Bucket plays a lead guitar line on 11 tracks
Bumblefoot plays a lead guitar line on 3 tracks

If that isn't sharing I don't know what is.

Thanks for doing that, Saved me the time.

Oh and Robin Finck is not to GnR what Slash was, you are nuts to think so. Slash's work will be immortal while Robin's will be forgotten to those outside the fanbase.

I agree Robin sounds great on CD....don't want to get into the "just as good as slash" type stuff...but he gives a solid performance for sure.

I'm interested you think the band was tighter with robin though. In my opinion since DJ the band has been unquestionably stronger in a live setting, some of which I put down to bumble now having had a chance to learn the songs (in 06 he was listening on a taptop moments before a show or something right) and better division between the guitsrists of who does what.

One issue with the 3 guitar model though is the soundman is always playing catchup. It's not uncommon for the start of a solo to be lost as the sound guy franticly adjusts levels as they swap guitarists in a mush of sound.

One of the proshots recently of Riff Raff demonstrated this well can see bumble shred but you only hear the second half of what he's playing.

Don't even start me on 2006 nighttrain, i think at download, where bumble's guitar isn't even on the mix - so the whole outro is just the rhythm guitar while you see footage of him playing an incredible solo. Sigh.

Robin has literally no stage prescence compared to DJ & Ron. Frankly, neither does Bucket.

Then again in Robin's defense, he's an industrial player. They all kinda act like that. DJ & Ron are obviously glam metal-types, and they fit that mold.

I'm sorry... i'd take a glam GN'R over an industrial GN'R. Glam is closer to their roots than industrial.

bobo wrote:

axl rose
robin finck
tommy stinson
richard fortus
dizzy reed
brain

this should be the lineup for the european tour

Only if Richard plays all the Slash solos and Robin only plays lead on the CD songs or if the band actually followed a new path and played 90% CD and new albums...then sure....but in the current "Classic Hits with a touch of CD" environment - all that would do is intensify the "it aint slash" complaints. One of the reasons this line up gets more positive reviews from the general public than previous line ups is that instrumentally with DJ it's more respectful to and closer to the songs people mostly go for - the greatest hits numbers.

I'm sorry to bash in what is joyful reunion moment, yes he has some chemistry, yes he's a good composer and yes he looks good on stage - but  fundamentally his renditions of the classics are unacceptably poor to anyone familiar with the guitar melodies.