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#691 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Live From Rock In Rio » 716 weeks ago
Neemo wrote:well as long as we are being honest...U2 songs are hardly as complicated as gnr tunes...musically or vocally...yeah they are catchy..but technical...not so much
i'm not saying it was totally awful cuz of the rain...but i'm saying it could contribute to the odd flub here and there...over the course of the night...little mistakes can start to wear on ya....that sall i'm sayin...just finished brownstone and tbh seems like a pretty good gig so far...yeah ron messed up on jungle but so what...and axl's voice is a bit rusty but so far i see no reason to proclaim the end of the world yet...my adventure continues
To even suggest rain would impact Gn'R more than U2 because they noodle on the guitar more is a joke. Watch a performanceof Untill the End of the World and get back to me on technicalities of playing guitar. the Edge is all about doing technical shit just doesn't shred and even if he did it wouldn't make a difference. To suggest the rain would effect Axl's voice more than Bono's is an even bigger joke. Fact is rain is rain, bands throughout time have played in it and bands throughout time have put on great shows in it. Rain was a non factor. To suggest it was, is to look for excuses. Sorry dude just being honest.
-D- wrote:misterID wrote:D, you are comparing a 28 year old with a damn near 50 year old, you do realize that, right? I thought he nailed Estranged last night.
Axl is never going to sing the way he did back then again. He didn't have a long shelf life for his voice. His self imposed exile is probably the only reason he can still sing now.
last night people were saying that was the greatest performance of Estranged in the entire history of the band.
I am simply pointing out that it was very good but not the best.
I believe it was the best. I have never liked Estranged live but I liked it last night. Musically they sounded better than the old band(on that song) and vocally I thought Axl was pretty good. Never liked the way he sang it back in the day.
Ali wrote:It is meaningless, though. Axl said during the 01/01/01 HOB show something about how he never showed up for rehearsals with the band. So, that was not the variable last night. It just wasn't. Axl had an off night, period.
Ali
Did you ever think that Axl has far more off nights than other performers at his level BECAUSE he doesnt' rehearse? I dont' know just a thought that popped inot my head. Weird how all other top notch performers in this world REHEARSE!
You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Rehearsing with the band is not the issue. I have sung in bands and you do not need to rehearse with the band to work on your breath control/support or vocal conditioning. You don't need to rehearse with the band to make sure you remember vocal melodies, either. Therefore, I'm saying rehearsing with the band was not the issue. Perhaps practicing on his own, working on his vocal conditioning and breath support was, though.
Ali
#692 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Live From Rock In Rio » 716 weeks ago
Ali wrote:misterID wrote:Well, most bands are like that to be honest. Once they make it they rarely see each other and hardly ever hang out. From the interviews bands point to that as a reason they're able to keep a band together. So, I disagree there. It's not that unusual. Even for Guns after AFD, they didn't see each other for long stretches.
Axl hasn't changed his habits since 91. Maybe it's time he at least tweaked them. And maybe try singing the old songs in a different range like Elton John does.
Yeah, not seeing each other in a year is meaningless. These are grown men with their own lives and Axl has never been one to rehearse with the band, for better or for worse.
Ali
Don't agree Ali, their lack of preparing is the main reason they sounded like a monkey trying to fuck a football out there. This is how they make money, its the ONE thing they should take serious...
"Their" lack of preparing? Are you serious? Did you not read about how BBF streamed their rehearsals? How can you say that they didn't rehearse? That's completely false.
Axl didn't rehearse with the band, but we have no idea what kind of vocal work he did or didn't do on his own.
Ali
#693 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Live From Rock In Rio » 716 weeks ago
Ali wrote:misterID wrote:Well, most bands are like that to be honest. Once they make it they rarely see each other and hardly ever hang out. From the interviews bands point to that as a reason they're able to keep a band together. So, I disagree there. It's not that unusual. Even for Guns after AFD, they didn't see each other for long stretches.
Axl hasn't changed his habits since 91. Maybe it's time he at least tweaked them. And maybe try singing the old songs in a different range like Elton John does.
Yeah, not seeing each other in a year is meaningless. These are grown men with their own lives and Axl has never been one to rehearse with the band, for better or for worse.
Ali
it's not unusual but it's also definitely not meaningless - it reconfirms all the bad news we've heard or assumed about this band. the only direction they're heading is towards easy money - but when you're as lazy as Axl then nothing comes easily.
again to stress the point it's 4 yrs since CD & the most we have to go on about new material was Tommy's admission & guesses from an interview/twitter a few weeks back.
it's evidence there is zero desire to move this band forward, that there's zero desire to try.edit - & we all know how well it's work post-AFD the band being separated by such distances..
It is meaningless, though. Axl said during the 01/01/01 HOB show something about how he never showed up for rehearsals with the band. So, that was not the variable last night. It just wasn't. Axl had an off night, period.
Ali
#694 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Live From Rock In Rio » 716 weeks ago
Ali wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Too painful to watch. Very sad. Axl looks so lonely, and deep down he probably thinks, "Slash and that dude Myles sound much better than me and my band right now, what the fuck has happened to me, I can't sing, my monitor doesn't work, and DJ still fucks up patience after 5 years"...
Myles isn't all that, honestly. He has no stage presence and while has a good voice from technical perspective, it's bland as hell. Fail on your part
Ali
I was trolling with that bit about Slash and Myles, but honestly, that band is MUCH tighter than what you saw last night, and you know it. And, unlike Axl, bland voice or not, Myles is pro that hits a HIGH percentage of Axl's notes, let alone the notes in his own songs (which Axl couldn't hit many last night). But yeah, I knew the Myles bit would get a rise out of you.
No, that band is not tighter on a night in and night out basis than GN'R. I saw Slash live myself and his band is good, but not better than the GN'R band.
Ali
#695 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Live From Rock In Rio » 716 weeks ago
Well, most bands are like that to be honest. Once they make it they rarely see each other and hardly ever hang out. From the interviews bands point to that as a reason they're able to keep a band together. So, I disagree there. It's not that unusual. Even for Guns after AFD, they didn't see each other for long stretches.
Axl hasn't changed his habits since 91. Maybe it's time he at least tweaked them. And maybe try singing the old songs in a different range like Elton John does.
Yeah, not seeing each other in a year is meaningless. These are grown men with their own lives and Axl has never been one to rehearse with the band, for better or for worse.
Ali
#696 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Live From Rock In Rio » 716 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Olorin wrote:He might have been questioning himself, didnt Tommy respond to him saying " hey man I havnt seen you in a year and you sound pretty fucking good as far as I'm concerned"
He says it at 1.55
That's it!
Yup, that's what he said.
And holy shit Axl's face at the start of that clip. He looks REAL DOWN.
Too painful to watch. Very sad. Axl looks so lonely, and deep down he probably thinks, "Slash and that dude Myles sound much better than me and my band right now, what the fuck has happened to me, I can't sing, my monitor doesn't work, and DJ still fucks up patience after 5 years"...
Myles isn't all that, honestly. He has no stage presence and while has a good voice from technical perspective, it's bland as hell. Fail on your part 
Ali
#697 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Live From Rock In Rio » 716 weeks ago
Ali wrote:When did he say he was doing better last week? I missed that completely.
AliWe heard tommy say something like "Awww..man...well I havmn't seen you in a year man and it sounded pretty good to me"
So i am speculating that that was an answer to Axl making a comment that he has recently sounded better or just that he normally sounds better or something.
O.k. I must have missed that. What you're saying makes sense.
Ali
#698 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Live From Rock In Rio » 716 weeks ago
Bono wrote:Is it out of line to suggest maybe Axl was high on something??? I really think this may have been the worst performance of his career not because of lack of ability(which was admiteddly severely lacking lat night) but because of lack of presennce. I have never seen Axl Rose simply not there in spirit at a Gn'R show. he was NOT there last night.
I wonder if his lack of ability hurt his confidence and he simply checked out because of that. Would be an awful feeling as a performer to have a "Who am I kidding?" moment on stage let alone one of the biggest stages
It reminds me of that video where he was interviewed at a basketball game in like 2000 or something.
Know the one? In that video it looked like he was on anti-depressents or something. The anger wasn't there, the confidence wasn't there. He seemed happy but also shy and seemed surprised anyone knew who he was. It was like it was a normal street guy accidently mistaken for Axl.
This reminds me of that. It's clearly Axl but he just isn't himself in this video.
I think one of the worst things in the world must be to have the level of talent that Axl has on a good night - or has had at his peak - and then have it randomly crap out on you.
Maybe that's why he doesn't rehrese much? Cos his voice is already stretched thin to get away with a show.
Add this to tommy's comments about "aww man i thought it sounded good and ui havn't seen you in a year" or whatever.
And maybe Axl wasn't liking how he sounded in his monitors - and was saying he was doing better last week or something.
It's entirely speculation. But I have a theory on some days Axl's voice works with a fair bit of power still, but on other days he has to fight to get through a show. We know he's always been an emotional guy. What I think we saw last night was a man who was deeply saddened that his voice was having an off night on a night he desperately wanted to have been great.
When did he say he was doing better last week? I missed that completely.
Ali
#699 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Live From Rock In Rio » 716 weeks ago
Ali wrote:Bono wrote:Think what you want but it has already caused people to not want to go see them when they tour the US. Just ask a few of the members here who's friends have now declined and the few members who are now reconsidering going themselves. This happend last night. You seriously think that the press isn't gonna pick up on this? Ok than.
Point out to me one mainstream US press article about ANY of sets from this edition of Rock in Rio.
Ali
Publications only come out once week at best! The festival JUST ended. Give it a week. You honestly think RS isn't gonna do a story on it? Gimem a break.
MTV did a story written by Kurt Loder the DAY AFTER the performance in 2001. It was uploaded to MTV.com. I've been a subscriber of RS for many years and in the last decade or so, many of the articles you see in the mag were first posted online, with the exception of feature some interviews/stories.
I don't think RS will do a review of this edition of RIR. I could be wrong, but there has been no virtually no mention of this show in any mainstream press outlet that I've seen. Also, RIR - Lisbon had no press coverage in 2006, either.
Ali
#700 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Live From Rock In Rio » 716 weeks ago
Guys, I don't think it really matters. RIR really didn't do anything for any of their American tours.
Agreed.
Ali
