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#791 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy now $1.99 » 737 weeks ago

Ali
madagas wrote:
Axlin08 wrote:

We'll surely Axl didn't sign a LIFETIME fucking contract with Universal/Interscope/Geffen (at whatever point he signed the current one).

I could swear I read an interview back in the late 90's/early 2000's, that stated that they owed Geffen (at the time), like three studio albums under that deal. CD was one, and Axl owed them two more.

Ever since then, that's why fans have focused on the '3 albums' thing, plus Axl & Baz have mentioned 'three' albums before. Never a fourth. To my knowledge.

The quicker Axl gets those albums rolled out, the quicker he can get out of there.

Let's go.. come on... time is money man!

most Gnr fans are idiots.....and I am quite sure that EVERYTHING between Axl and Uni changed with the Chinese deal. Merck mentioned the "renegotiations"....Axl mentioned it as well. Remember Axl's letter about Merck and Merck's response?...late 2006 I believe. So, as of now, we really have no clue what "is owed".

I wish like hell they were independent but the fact is they aren't. hmm

Madagas, you are 100% right in that we don't know how many albums GN'R still owes the label.  But, as was pointed out, Axl himself said after CD came out they are still under contract with Universal Music.  My only point was that given that is the case currently, then cannot just "go independent".

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#792 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy now $1.99 » 738 weeks ago

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Axlin08 wrote:

He also could go independent now, had he got off his ass too.

With the current climate, and Axl's situation, he could've taken GN'R indie had he wanted to.

Now he's stuck with Uni.

Uh, how exactly could Axl have gone independent while under contract with Universal?  I mean, unless he pays some hefty sum to buy out his contract.

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#793 Re: Management » MyGNR closing for business » 739 weeks ago

Ali

A little interesting tidbit from Eric on the C&D letters.  He now says that he received these prior to getting backstage and meeting Axl and they obviously did not affect Axl and/or the GN'R camp's willingness to have him backstage.

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Eric:

"Well, I did get some time before getting credit and backstage and it didn't prevent getting credit, backstage and meeting Axl. True letter was not specifically aimed at me.

Mabye I took recent letter a bit too personnal as I felt that it could have been resolved by a simple phone call.

I won't make any of these letters public. "

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#794 Re: Management » MyGNR closing for business » 740 weeks ago

Ali
monkeychow wrote:

Some of it is natural I think too.

Like, imagine you meet Axl, you have a beer with Fernando one night - and suddenly these are like real people in your life - they arn't just words in a magazine, or snippits on TMZ or whatever. Or in the case of the Axl/band - you've actually talked to people who write and play your favourite songs.

I think there's a natural feeling when you meet people in real not to talk as much shit about them. Once you see they are human - are you really going to go home log on and start asking about their private lives as much.

So in a way you can see it that Jarmo etc is paid off with Access to the band...but in another way - it's probably the access to the band that makes him not want to talk shit about them - as he sees them as actual people he knows and not just a hobby.

That said, I myself don't post as HTGTH anymore (well very occasionally) as I'm a fan of the old and the new band - and I felt there was an atmosphere there that to enjoy modern GNR you have to hate slash etc...and I honestly like both.

On a semi-related note: Is it expensive to run this site? I never really thought about it - but I should be more grateful to whoever keeps this place running.

Well said.  I agree that the humanization of these guys upon meeting them makes it less likely, or may make most people, less inclined to talk shit about them.  At least, I would hope that would be the case.

Ali

#795 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy now $1.99 » 740 weeks ago

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buzzsaw wrote:

Or it could be Axl is just looking for someone else to blame like he always does. Just throwing it out there as a possibility (as far fetched as it might be).

Or it could be that Axl dropped the ball and others played a part, a lesser part, but a part nonetheless, in the album's lack of proper promotion and marketing.  It may not be as black and white as "Axl is just looking for someone else to blame like he always does".  As far-fetched as that may sound.

Ali

#796 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy now $1.99 » 740 weeks ago

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ppp wrote:

I wouldn't consider putting the no-promotion blame on Irv, if it wasn't for the fact that he did this with his other clients. It's odd.

Take a look at Christina Aguilera, one of his longtime clients. She delays her album Bionic almost 4 years (a lifetime in the pop world), spends a ton of cash on it, promises fans it will be huge and then what happens? It comes out to almost no promotion and both she and Irv basically threw it under the bus to move onto other things (like Burlesque, which they were so convinced would win her an Oscar).

Excellent point.  Forgot about that.

Ali

#797 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy now $1.99 » 740 weeks ago

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madagas wrote:

everybody has to take part....everyone dropped the ball on the whole project.

I don't disagree.  That was actually my point.  I think that if what is alleged in the countersuit is true, then management and the label played that role in how things developed.  That was their dropping of the ball. 

Obviously, Axl played his role as well in not doing interviews, etc.

Ali

#798 Re: Management » MyGNR closing for business » 740 weeks ago

Ali

This was pointed out on MyGNR.

Eric said in his original "closing" statement, that it was about more than just the money, that the lack of support, even animosity, from the GN'R camp played a role.

But, now, an anonymous donor offers to cover the costs, and suddenly Eric wants to continue for the foreseeable future.

Doesn't that imply that it was in fact ALL about the financial concerns if the moment the financial concerns are relieved, Eric decides he wants to continue with the forum?

Ali

#799 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy now $1.99 » 740 weeks ago

Ali

In the countersuit vs. Azoff, Axl's legal team said that Azoff never delivered on his promise to help develop a marketing plan for the album and to market it.  Do you guys agree or disagree that it is the manager and/or label's responsibility to develop a marketing plan?

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#800 Re: Management » MyGNR closing for business » 740 weeks ago

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Mikkamakka wrote:

I remember you from HTGTH. You totally backed Jarmo even with his 'bad news are no news' policy. I'm surprised you needed some fresh air and came here, but do nothing, but justify Jarmo's and The Malibu Mafia's decisions. I guess it's a mission for you. Won't work here.

I didn't like MyGNR, cause every single thread turned into a chaotic name-calling. But I rather choose that, than the stalinist board. Thanks to God, we have GNREvolution.
Better to have idiots saying anything they want @ MyGNR, then a fascist regime that tells you what's right and what's wrong, what exists and what does not. "Four legs good, two legs bad". Hell, they even censored Merck's letter! They can't even talk about the 'next album', years after CD. They really can't talk about anything, just how cool Axl and the then-current line-up is, and what an evil, talentless, druggie thief Slash is. It reminds me of very, very bad times, you'd think never come back.  I live in a country that suffered from communism for 45 years, and I prefer the Hyde Park democracy.

In case of GN'R... the band, especially Axl has the most responsibility in having the most erratic fanbase on the world. I guess in the history of music. Paranoia, hatred, bitterness, insincerity, the complete lack of reliability and not taking responsibility for anything you do, but making stupid, vague comments or telling made-up stories, blaming the rest of the world... well it causes some problems in the fan base.

Apparently, you don't remember me as well as you think you do.  You're bringing in Jarmo's board and how he runs it when in reality that has nothing to do with any of this.  Nowhere, other than in your mind apparently, did I ever advocate running a message board like Jarmo's.  I cited two specific cases I thought were over the line, that's it.  There is an in between from Jarmo's board and MyGNR.  THAT is the point.  It isn't as black and white as you make it out to be.

As far for the rest of it, I'll leave it by saying I second what Madagas and Salome said.  I'm sure you'll refer to Jarmo and/or my "mission".  The latter of which, thankfully, I'm blissfully unaware of 16

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