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#81 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 96 weeks ago
It's also just a really catchy earworm of a song, Perhaps.
#82 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 96 weeks ago
One of my favourite things about GN'R is how they vary stresses, emphasis and… syllabic structure? I'm not sure what you'd call it…
The outro to YCBM is a great example; most bands would just sing "You could be mine" over and over, same stresses and emphasis. But GN'R mixes it up; you have Izzy singing "Y'could be mine" while Axl's singing "Youcould be mi-e-ine." And then during the last bit of the song he's basically singing it every possible way you can sing it – singing "mi-e-ine" in an ascending melody, then a lower melody, etc etc. It's one of the things that makes GN'R more sophisticated than other bands, I think.
And he's doing it again with the chorus for Perhaps:
Got a lot more than I bargained for - 9 syllables, emphasis on the "got" and the "lot"
You forgot about the others you were fighting for – 13 syllables, cheeky little run of triplets at the start of the line
Sold out to the ones that you once ignored – 10 syllables, emphasis comes on the second and fifth syllables, "out" and "ones"
You used to be a little crazy, now there's so much more – 14 syllables, with this rapid quickfire run from "you" through to "so" and then a slower triplet.
I'm probably not using the right technical terms there, but what I like is that Axl's playing around with structure.
#83 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 96 weeks ago
I don't understand why people complain about the chorus; I think it's great.
#84 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 97 weeks ago
His *newest* vocals were Rock the Rock and he sounded great. I don’t know why it’s a stretch to think he couldn’t do it on these recordings. Hard Skool used those early vocals and you can tell
He had a killer rasp on his Live Era/Big Daddy vocal recordings but never sang that way live around that time.
Oh yeah, I don't deny that he's perfectly capable of laying down studio vocals now, it's just that it's become an article of faith among GN'R fans that he laid down a single vocal take for each song back in 1999 or whatever, and that he never recorded anything else. Which is insane; of course there are multiple vocal takes in the vaults.
#85 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 97 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Went back and read Brain’s comments on Seven and he turned it and The General in before their first show. The way he described the demo sounds pretty much like Circus. Just an abstract and crazy piece of music around a drum beat. It would make sense they combined it. They did that with Shacklers and Robin talked about Axl cannibalizing demos
I'll go to my grave saying Better was initially two song ideas merged into one.
That's always how Axl's worked, though. 14 Years was two separate song ideas bodged together into one. Coma is basically three or four song ideas bolted together. The outro to November Rain might as well be from a separate song (indeed we know it is because it isn't there on the early demos). It's just more apparent that he's bolting disconnected riffs together on Chinese Democracy because you don't have that tonal through line of Slash, Izzy and Duff stitching it all together.
#86 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 97 weeks ago
Sounds like new vocals. Guess that was more than a sound check and Axl was singing
It is possible that he did multiple vocal takes in the 90s/00s, y'know…
#87 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 97 weeks ago
Actually while we're on the subject of the current line-up, can we get some new emoji in here? The Axl one still has the 2010 pornstar 'tache, and we have emoji for Ashba and Bumblefoot but not Melissa?
#88 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 97 weeks ago
elevendayempire wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:I like the video, didn't see that coming at all
The video's great. This is basically what the Better video was originally intended to be – a nice showcase of all the members of the band, including Fortus, Dizzy, Melissa and Frank. Clever use of the soundcheck footage to get around the problem you often have with these "live footage of a song they haven't played yet" thing – the band are actually seen singing the correct lyrics.
Explains the film crew they had in Europe, some of the shots in the video were also in the Facebook video's they been putting out
The Better video ended up being completely fucked 'cos they wanted to introduce the current line-up (Bumblefoot etc) while also showcasing the significant contributions of those who'd left (like Buckethead). But then Finck and Brain upped and left too, and so suddenly they had this video introducing… five guitarists and two drummers. Which didn't really help the "revolving door" narrative, or the "Axl can't find anyone good enough to replace Slash" naysaying.
Anyway, yes: Perhaps. Don't they all look like one big happy family in it?
#89 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General confirmed next » 97 weeks ago
slashsfro wrote:What's to stop them from releasing an album now? If you assume they can release 2 more CD reheated leftover tracks. That makes 6 and you can basically pad it out with whatever fucking live version of whatever classic songs you want. Basically Lies in the 21st century.
That's kind of all I wanted from them is to release enough songs over time that the fans can put together an album themselves if they wish to do it. We now have 4 singles (14 minutes of music) released from 2018 to now, apparently with a 5th song on the way in The General. We are creeping up on a 8-song collection that could be labeled an album.
Eh, I'd kinda rather they just purged the vault and then got on with recording a new album. These songs are always going to be a bit awkward – Slash and Duff overdubs recorded during lockdown, on songs they're less emotionally invested in because they weren't there for the original writing process. Slash trying to wrestle Buckethead and Finck riffs and licks into his own style.
Also if you bundle these tracks together with a couple more to pad them out as an album, you end up with a collection of stuff that people have mostly heard, with one or two "new tracks" (which are based on demos we've already heard).
So, clear the decks with a bunch of individual Chinese leftovers, and then get into the studio to record some new stuff. I want to hear what Fortus and Slash come up with when they jam together, the organic process of creation. I want to hear lyrics from Axl that comment on the state of the world today (Christ knows, there's enough material to work with there), not his relationship woes from the late '90s. They literally have seven songwriters in this band (I'm pretty sure every single member has writing credits, right?) – use that resource.
#90 Re: Guns N' Roses » Perhaps (2023) to Drop » 97 weeks ago
I like the video, didn't see that coming at all
The video's great. This is basically what the Better video was originally intended to be – a nice showcase of all the members of the band, including Fortus, Dizzy, Melissa and Frank. Clever use of the soundcheck footage to get around the problem you often have with these "live footage of a song they haven't played yet" thing – the band are actually seen singing the correct lyrics.
