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Re: Bumble playing with Lita Ford
Robin playing with NIN is the only example I can agree with. Even that though, he was in NIN before GNR. It's not like he was discovered by Trent by seeing him in GNR and stole him away. There was a history there. Buckethead plays clubs, that doesn't take away from one's talent. And Brain plays with Bucket and other lesser known artists. And why keep harping on Richard playing with Nena? If you're gonna put so much stock in that you'd have to put a lot more into him touring with Rhianna.
The size of the crowds people play for don't necessarily equate to how talented they are.
And maybe it's just me, but I can name as many Lita Ford songs (2) than NIN and A Perfect Circle songs from the Josh/Robin era.
Re: Bumble playing with Lita Ford
I think it's more a prejudice against a certain type of music: Late '80s / early '90s popular heavy metal aka 'Hair Metal' for lack of a better term.
I remember when The Station nightclub burned down in Rhode Island and people heard it was a Great White concert, many people had a clever little smirk on their face.
I don't know if it's classism or what, but people tend to think of bands from that era and their fans as "losers."
On the other hand, maybe I'm completely wrong and it really just has to do with how far a band's popularity has declined.
For example: Is Bon Jovi washed-up? I'm not asking if you like them or not. What I'm saying is: Are they in the same league as Lita Ford, L.A. Guns?
I say: No, of course not - they are still very popular.
But explain this: Bucket plays clubs. L.A. Guns plays clubs. However, I'd never put them in the same category (as being washed-up). Why?
Re: Bumble playing with Lita Ford
I don't know, maybe it's taste, but for me the APC albums are made up of songs that don't really flow. A lot of the songs are bland and repetative. Nothing sticks out as great. They have some good songs, but their albums never really hold together. Not like a Tool album. Same thing with Billy's Ashes Divide.... I will say the second album was much better, even if Paz wasn't on bass.
Josh's drumming is fantastic, though.
Re: Bumble playing with Lita Ford
I think it's more a prejudice against a certain type of music: Late '80s / early '90s popular heavy metal aka 'Hair Metal' for lack of a better term.
I remember when The Station nightclub burned down in Rhode Island and people heard it was a Great White concert, many people had a clever little smirk on their face.
I don't know if it's classism or what, but people tend to think of bands from that era and their fans as "losers."
On the other hand, maybe I'm completely wrong and it really just has to do with how far a band's popularity has declined.
For example: Is Bon Jovi washed-up? I'm not asking if you like them or not. What I'm saying is: Are they in the same league as Lita Ford, L.A. Guns?
I say: No, of course not - they are still very popular.
This type of thing comes in cycles. Look at the huge backlash to disco in the 70s, which played a huge role in elements of punk making its mark. The removal of disco from the scene didn't just clear the way for punk, but also the new wave/pop scene, rap, and of course hair metal.
Had disco lasted just a few more years, 1980's pop culture would have been entirely different.
Hair metal was bloated with way too many bands that shouldn't have been within a light year of a record deal(Trixter, Firehouse,etc.), and you had the established bands at the time(GNR, Poison,etc,) getting too big for their britches and were just begging to be knocked off their pedestal. Enter Soundgarden, Nirvana, AIC,etc., while bands like Slaughter, Britny Fox,etc. exited stage left.
I actually think GNR were initially the bridge between hair metal and grunge. You had all that fabricated bullshit dominating, and GNR took over because it was real and so many people could relate to it. Hair metal continued watered down of course for a few years, but the public was ready for something else, and GNR helped pave the way there.
Bon Jovi surviving that is literally an anomaly. Not knocking them, but that was a brutal culture and very anti 80s.
Like disco, the removal of hair metal caused several scenes to flourish. Grunge of course, and rap/hip hop started taking off in a big way and it also opened up women artists such as Elastica, Luscious Jackson, Veruca Salt, Alanis,etc. to dominate the scene, however briefly.
Hell, in 1990 rap was relegated to Yo! MTV raps for 30 to 60 minutes a day. In 1991-92, a rap video was being played every ten minutes.
It is interesting that we are now going on two decades and the public at large still has negative views of that scene. I realize bands like Motley reunite and are successful to an extent, but the scene is still frowned on to this day.
But explain this: Bucket plays clubs. L.A. Guns plays clubs. However, I'd never put them in the same category (as being washed-up). Why?
Playing clubs doesn't make people washed up. Bucket is one of the most talented people alive. He isn't washed up. M.I.A. has been performing in clubs for years, and could pretty much wipe the floor with most of the artists we discuss here. She isn't washed up.
Not sure where gnfnraxl was going with the club thing.
Re: Bumble playing with Lita Ford
If I remember correctly, Bon Jovi dropped off the face of the earth for awhile. I think they released a couple albums that didn't do very well, then came back with that song that was included on one of the Madden Football games several years ago. Since then, they've been back (though not as big as they were in the 80s), but I don't think they were immune to it. I just think they survived it.
Re: Bumble playing with Lita Ford
Where I was going with this James is simple. While I'm not sure if Lita Ford ever was more than an opening act, but a lot of those bands no matter if they are from the 80's, 90's or whatever at one point in their carreers sold many records and drew large crowds in arenas. And now they have to play clubs and sometimes can't even sell out the clubs. Buckethead may play clubs but that's always been his scene so no he ain't washed up, neither is MIA. But you guys won't convince me that bands like LA Guns, Lita Ford or whoever else, that used to play arenas and now are forced to play clubs or pizza places aren't washed up. Again being washed up don't mean you have no talent. Soul Asylum are a very talented band but for a reason unbeknownst to me that band used to play arena's and drew really good crowds and now to the best of my knowledge are playing clubs. Does this mean Soul Asylum isn't talented? Fuck no! But that is the situation. Just because Axl had to give away tickets at some shows may mean he is getting washed up but it sure don't take away his talent.
And By the way James if Bucket decides to go mainstream the guy would probably be in a huge band. As for MIA why she plays clubs? Probably by choice but I think with the success she had she'd do decent crowds in arenas. While Lita Ford wouldn't. Hope I cleared things up a bit.
