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Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
Communist China wrote:Elvis was a white man playing black music and that made him somewhat more acceptable in a very repressed period of time in American culture.
So were The Rolling Stones
And without Elvis, your Beatles would've never been given the time of day. Even Lennon knew that.
It's true. You can't blame white dudes for playing "black music" back then. Geez we should be thanking them 
I mean if they hadn't maybe Rock n' Roll wouldn't exist today. That or we'd be bitching about how AC/DC or Gn'R "ripped off the back man's music"
Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
tejastech08 wrote:Speaking of this topic, Metallica and U2 should be mentioned as well. Metallica's early run up to the Black Album was fucking stellar. Everything after it has been either average or mediocre. U2 has been hit or miss but they've got some great stuff. Bob Dylan also has a lot of great albums. Stevie Wonder is another one who has a number of albums that I'd consider defendable as his best work.
Metallica! Yeah forgot about them. Yeah they have at least four maybe five albums that could be debatable as their best. U2? Bono will hate me for this but I'd say that The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby are the only two defendable. That doesn't mean the rest of their albums suck. Just can't be mentioned as their best in my opinion. Bob Dylan I'll leave that to madagas to judge. I am not a big fan of Dylan so his records are not well known by me. Stevie Wonder. Awsome artist! Can't deny that but more than 3 records defendable as his best? I wouldn't think so. You have to think here that the debate is not how many good albums an artist or band has but how many albums can be considered as the absolute best from that artist or band.
I started reading this stuff about albums and I thought maybe U2 could have four argueably "best albums" but honestly No. Not if you ask the general public. As mentioned above Achtung Baby and The Joshua Tree are far and away the very best as far as the general public is concerend. Every once in a while someone will say War is their best but I'd venture a guess that 95% of the Joe Blows that say War only know Sunday Bloody Sunday and New Year's Day off that album. In U2 fan circles The Unforgettable Fire gets alot of run and only time will tell but No Line on the Horizon has been mentioned quite often in reviews and by fans as possibly U2's best album. But if it really came down to it I'd say the only two that hardcore U2 fans and the general public will agree on is AB and JT. Achtung Baby ALWAYS wins on U2 fan sites as their best album and consitently by a large margin to be honest. Joshua Tree comes second every single time and after that it varies depending on who votes on any given day.
Personally I don't think U2 is a fair example in this argument cause really those two albums are their absolute masterpieces. It's near impossible for the other albums to stand up to those in terms of song quality and impact they each had on the bands career. Honestly that transition from Joshua Tree to Achtung Baby and the way they pulled it off to me is mind boggling. I don't think there is another band who did such a thing and if they did they definately didn't bookend it with two career defining albums. I'll never argue that U2 was more influencial than the Beatles or Stones or Zeppelin or Michael Jackson cause they just aren't but none of those artsist ever pulled of such a major shift in sound, image and attitude as seamlessly and successfully as U2 did.
- tejastech08
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Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
gnfnraxl wrote:tejastech08 wrote:Speaking of this topic, Metallica and U2 should be mentioned as well. Metallica's early run up to the Black Album was fucking stellar. Everything after it has been either average or mediocre. U2 has been hit or miss but they've got some great stuff. Bob Dylan also has a lot of great albums. Stevie Wonder is another one who has a number of albums that I'd consider defendable as his best work.
Metallica! Yeah forgot about them. Yeah they have at least four maybe five albums that could be debatable as their best. U2? Bono will hate me for this but I'd say that The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby are the only two defendable. That doesn't mean the rest of their albums suck. Just can't be mentioned as their best in my opinion. Bob Dylan I'll leave that to madagas to judge. I am not a big fan of Dylan so his records are not well known by me. Stevie Wonder. Awsome artist! Can't deny that but more than 3 records defendable as his best? I wouldn't think so. You have to think here that the debate is not how many good albums an artist or band has but how many albums can be considered as the absolute best from that artist or band.
I started reading this stuff about albums and I thought maybe U2 could have four argueably "best albums" but honestly No. Not if you ask the general public. As mentioned above Achtung Baby and The Joshua Tree are far and away the very best as far as the general public is concerend. Every once in a while someone will say War is their best but I'd venture a guess that 95% of the Joe Blows that say War only know Sunday Bloody Sunday and New Year's Day off that album. In U2 fan circles The Unforgettable Fire gets alot of run and only time will tell but No Line on the Horizon has been mentioned quite often in reviews and by fans as possibly U2's best album. But if it really came down to it I'd say the only two that hardcore U2 fans and the general public will agree on is AB and JT. Achtung Baby ALWAYS wins on U2 fan sites as their best album and consitently by a large margin to be honest. Joshua Tree comes second every single time and after that it varies depending on who votes on any given day.
Personally I don't think U2 is a fair example in this argument cause really those two albums are their absolute masterpieces. It's near impossible for the other albums to stand up to those in terms of song quality and impact they each had on the bands career. Honestly that transition from Joshua Tree to Achtung Baby and the way they pulled it off to me is mind boggling. I don't think there is another band who did such a thing and if they did they definately didn't bookend it with two career defining albums. I'll never argue that U2 was more influencial than the Beatles or Stones or Zeppelin or Michael Jackson cause they just aren't but none of those artsist ever pulled of such a major shift in sound, image and attitude as seamlessly and successfully as U2 did.
Beatles went from a boy band pop act to a psychadelic rock band pretty much overnight. I don't think there's ever been an artist that shifted styles more drastically and quickly than the Beatles. They were only around for what, 6 years in the U.S. and it seemed like the shift from the mid-60's to the late-60's brought about a huge change in the style of their music. Without their late 60's work, they wouldn't be regarded as so influential. The thing that is stunning to me about them is how prolific they were in such a short amount of time, yet they kept getting better and better...which doesn't seem possible for a band that is putting out an album every year.
Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
Michael Jackson was a religion
seriously, u will never see again in your life people go crazy over someone like they did MJ.
Do hundreds of fans camp outside Bono's house?
Could U2 sell 50 straight nights out in London?
MJ no matter your feelings was the greatest. Best part is, he wrote most of his biggest hits himself. he wasn't some studio produced magic that sang other people's shit.
Billie Jean Bassline owns anything musically pretty much.
Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
Michael Jackson was a religion
seriously, u will never see again in your life people go crazy over someone like they did MJ.
Do hundreds of fans camp outside Bono's house?
Could U2 sell 50 straight nights out in London?
MJ no matter your feelings was the greatest. Best part is, he wrote most of his biggest hits himself. he wasn't some studio produced magic that sang other people's shit.
Billie Jean Bassline owns anything musically pretty much.
This almost warrents a "fuck off" from me because I know it's direcetd at me and it's apparent that I'm the only one who can't mention U2 without it being a matter of me saying "Oh U2 is much better and bigger and blah fucking blah than MJ". Holy shit. Did I once say U2 was bigger than MJ? Did I once say fans camp outside Bono's house? Did I once say U2 could sell out London 50 straight nights? Did I once compare U2's influence to MJ's? Yeah I might've done that but I was clear that U2 was nevera s infulencial as MJ. I originally mentioned U2 based on my opinions of a style of music along side bands like GN'R and the Beatles. Later in the thread others started talking about how many bands can argue they have four argueably best albums. U2 was brought up. I chimmed in and agreed that U2 doesn't have an arguement for four best albums. Piss off with thsi idea that I'm in this thread trying to compare U2 to MJ. It's fucking ridiculous.
Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
MJ no matter your feelings was the greatest. Best part is, he wrote most of his biggest hits himself. he wasn't some studio produced magic that sang other people's shit.
Agreed. Originally I held out my praise when I first read about his death because I wasn't sure if he wrote his songs, or had a songwriter/bought the songs. As more comes out, it seems he wrote BJ, Beat It, Thriller, Don't Stop, Mirror B or W etc. That's pretty remarkable. Such a diverse character. You can chalk me up as one who didn't appreciate how talented he was while he was alive. I'm a bit remorsed, but at least I've come to realize his talent at some point in my life. Sure I was into him when I was a kid, but since then I mostly found him laughable. I honestly think I might look into a GH or compilation album of his.
Bono you're too defensive about U2 in the MJ threads. A few days ago I made a similar analogy, I think I was talking about how a black man wrote the rock song Beat It, and it wasn't someone like Bono (or Axl, or Vedder etc). But you took it strictly as how Bono is great in himself & better than Mike. Now that I type it, I remember I was referring to how Mike never gets played on rock radio. Is that because he was "cheesy 80's pop" or because he was black. If it was a VH song would it still be played. But you totally misconstrued it because I said it's about the same as Sunday Bloody Sunday imho, and you got all offended. SBS is an ok tune with a crappy bass hook. As D said, BJ's bass line owns it. SBS also sounds more dated, like it was recorded on a 4 track.
