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Re: The Izzy Interview from 2001
It's been a long time since we last did this - 12 years, to be precise - but suddenly here he is, larger than life: Izzy Stradlin, Ex-Guns N' Roses, ex-drug addict, but still, in his own way, as defiantly maverick as ever: sitting in a hotel room in London, looking tanned and healthy and sipping camomile tea. He has a plugged-in electric guitar balanced on his knees. Is he going to play us a song? Yes, he is. He picks it up and begins strumming. At first I don't recognize it, then it hits me: 'Pretty Tied Up', one of his own from 'Use Your Illusion II'. He starts singing: "I knew this chick... she lived down on Melrose..." Axl sang it on the album, of course. But that lazy Midwestern drawl belongs entirely to the guy who wrote it, the one with the low-slung 'tood and the cigarette dangling from his gob.
These days, of course, Axl isn't around to sing it for Izzy. The cigarettes are gone, too: banished to the same dark place as the booze and drugs. He recently celebrated his 39th birthday and yet he looks younger, leaner, than he ever did back in the ba-ba-bad old days. Which throws the memory of our last meeting into even sharper relief. Back then, Izzy was wasted. But, hey, this was LA in 1989 and we all were. He had a check for $900,000 in his pocket, he said, but no bank account to put it in. "Give it to me," I joked. "I'll take care of it for you." He staggered to his feet, appeared to actually consider the possibility for a moment, then folded it up and put it back in his pocket. "Later, man." he said. And now here we are. Much later...
Born Jeff Isbell on April 8, 1962, Izzy, as he became known at school is from Lafayettte: the same Indiana backwater as his erstwhile partner in crime, Axl Rose - or just plain Bill Bailey, as he was known back then. A small town with a courthouse, a college, a river, and some railroad tracks, Izzy recalls how: "We rode bikes, smoked pot, got into trouble - it was pretty much like Beavis And Butthead, actually."
His grandmother played drums. She even had a band. "These old ladies who'd play swing and jazz at parties... [and] I'd watch The Partridge Family on TV and think, "That looks good, I'll do that."
He first met Axl at Jefferson High School, in the mid-70's. "I remember, the first day at school there was this big fucking commotion. I heard all these books hit the ground, yelling, and then he went running past. A bunch of fucking teachers chasing him down the hallway..."
The drummer in a school band, it was Izzy who persuaded the flame-haired youngster to have a go at singing. "I thought, well, here's a guy who's completely crazy, he'd be a fucking great singer. We had to coax him a bit [and] it didn't go so well in the early days. Sometimes he would just come over and stand around, like he was embarrassed. Or he'd start to sing and then he'd just leave. Walk out and I wouldn't see him again for like three days! Some things didn't change, huh?" he adds with a rueful smile.
By the time Izzy left school at 17 (the only gunner to actually recieve a high school diploma) he was ready, he decided, for the big one: Los Angeles. His reasoning: "The weather was better and that's where everything was." Hitching down to Hollywood, he first became the drummer in punk band Naughty Women, then The Atoms. But when part of his drum kit was stolen, he sold the rest of it, bought a bass and joined Shire. Then changed his mind and left again to become a guitarist instead. Being the guitarist "seemed cooler" than being drummer and, mostly crucially, it was "easier to write songs on".
It was 1983 and Izzy was living in a small apartment in Huntington Beach, an LA suburn, where he was occasionally joined by his old Indy pal, Axl. "He came out like three times before he stayed. Then, probably at the end of '82, he came back out with his girl and rented an apartment, and that's when he finally stayed."
Forming a band together "just seemed the obvious thing to do." The result: Hollywood Rose. But before the new band had more than a handful of gigs under their bullet-belts. Axl had split to join guitarist Tracii Guns in the prototype LA Guns (which also briefly featured a corkscrew-based, Mulatto-colored guitarist named Saul Hudson - or Slash, to his new friends). But when things didn't go Axl's way (LA Guns was very much Tracii's band), he persuaded Izzy to resurrect the Hollywood Rose band.
As we now know, a combination of coincidences and chance fuck-ups (details of which still depend on who's telling the story) then resulted in what became, in June 1985, the first permanent line-up of Guns N' Roses: Axl on vocals, Slash on lead guitar, Izzy on rhythm, displaced Seattle punk Michael "Duff" McKagan on bass and Slash's old pal Steven Adler on drums.
What happened next is now the stuff of legend. The crackling, diamond-hard, expletive-sprayed monster that was "Appetite for Destruction", their first album in 1987, sold more than 40 million copies and wrote the band it's own asterisk-heavy chapter in the rock 'n' roll history book. At a time when rock had sold its balls to the butchers - when Bon Jovi and Def Leppard were still considered "heavy" - Guns N' Roses came along and showed us how it should be done, putting booze and drugs back on the menu at a time when rock's glittered were still babbling on inanely about gyms and mineral water. This was rock without the condom on and soon almost everybody was infected. "Man, once that shit started happening, it was like, forget it. Just hang on." Izzy says now with a slow, still incredulous shake of the head. "The rest was just one long ride..."
The fact that it was another three years before they would pull themselves together long enough to make a follow-up - the double, "Use Your Illusion I & II" sets, in 1991 - only added to the mystique. In reality, however, the period between the start of 1989 - when the first aborted attempts were made to begin a follow-up - to the end of 1990, when basic tracks were finally laid down - was a desperately dark time for Guns N' Roses. Not least Izzy, who found himself in the grip of heroin addiction.
"Oh, yeah. But I was addicted to everything," he says nonchalantly, "Whatever was going on. I didn't even know I was in trouble until someone pointed it out to me..."
That someone happened to be Aerosmith singer Steven Tyler, whose own exploits in the field of "advanced chemistry" were, at the point, better known even than Izzy's. They had met when GN'R opened for Aerosmith on a US tour in the Autumn of 1988, and had stayed in contact ever since.
"I remember, we were talking on the phone and I said, "Steven, I've got this hole that goes through the middle of my siuses. I've got like one nostril now." He goes, "Oh yeah - deviated septum." He knew all the terminology. I was like, what? Let me write this down. Oh fuck, yeah! That's me - wait, hang on..." Pretends to snort another fat line.
Izzy had been on the road with the band for over a year between the release of "appetite..." and the end of the Aerosmith tour. 14 months of sharing the road with the likes of Motley Crue, Faster Pussycat, The Cult, Iron Maiden... The only way he knew how to handle it was to "make sure I was out of my skull for pretty much all of it. That's what we all did..."
Doing drugs was "just normal, something we'd all been into since we were kids. Then we toured with Aerosmith and it was like, thank God we got to meet some people that weren't fucked up! It influenced me big time. Oh, yeah, Cos Tyler and those guys, they were always like my rock idols. Growing up in Indiana, I loved fucking Aerosmith, man. Smoke a joint, listen to the first record...
"when we toured with them I'd go out to watch and they'd sound fucking amazing! I thought, we're gonna have to really pull this shit together to keep up. Cos they were right, you know? And with us, even then, it was like the music was already taking a back seat to all the other shit..."
By the start of 1989, Izzy and the band were off the road at last but now a new reality began to dawn. "We'd stopped hanging out together - me, Duff, Slash, all of us. Isolated in small apartments somewhere. The drugs and drinking and stuff was a big part of the isolation. It was like self-imposed and it became worse. It all just got worse..."
Through it all, however, he kept up a dialogue with Steven Tyler. "I had a lot of conversations with Steven. Mainly, he would tell me really fucking scary drug stories - shit like locking himself in a bathroom and filling in all the tile cracks with toothpaste. And seeing worms... I thought, whoah, I'll never get that bad!
"Then another half-a-year went by and I found myself driving down the 101 freeway in LA and I'm seeing snow, cos I've been up for like days, doing coke. Oh, man... And then that fuckin' worm thing came up! I was staying with this coke dealer. I'd been up for five fucking days, and I was out in his garage, for what reason I'll never know. And I pulled open this drawer of nuts and screws, and sure enough, man, they were turning into maggots! I thought, I gotta get the fuck out of here..."
But if Tyler had been influential in getting Izzy to at least think about getting straight, it was one, now infamous incident, that really forced the issue: when he was arrested on a domestic US flight from LA to Phoenix for urinating in the aisle of the First Class section. "Ah, I was drunk, man. Then waking up in jail... Not cool, man," he says with an embarrassed grin.
Because it happened in "federal airspace", the US authorities were rather less amused. Taking into consideration a prior arrest for marijuana possession, Izzy was put on probation for a year and - irony of ironies - subjected to random urine tests. Now he really had to stop: the law demanded it. "Suddenly, I can't use drugs anymore, or I'm going to jail. Wow..." It was 1990 and suddenly the band's enforced lay-off had an unforseen positive side. With the time and the motive to clean up his act properly, Izzy went into rehab and began receiving professional counseling.
What really made him stop, though he thinks now, "was I wanted to. Cos I figured at some point your heart's just gonna pop, or your mind's gonna snap, right? Eventually, that shit will kill ya, and it does. It kills people all the time. Once I got maybe like a week of sobriety, like going a week without a drink, I thought, oh god, if I can just keep this up..."
The biggest test for the newly sober guitarist was returning to the band. "I'd come in for rehearsals for 'Use Your Illusion' and there's one of the guys on the road case with a big line of coke. 'Hey, Iz - you want some coke?' Ah, no thanks, I just got back from my probation officer, you know? To get sober is really [tough] but to do it like that, in a situation where everybody's still using..."
Nevertheless, he persisted for about a year. Recording wasn't so bad - remarkably, basic tracks for both 'Use Your Illusion' albums took less than two weeks, he says. It was going back out on the road that did for him in the end. "The shows were completely erratic. I never knew whether we'd be able to finish the show from day-to-day, cos [Axl] would walk off..."
They say that in the country of the blind the one-eyed man is king, but for Izzy, returning to the road with Guns N' Roses, in 1991, was "a nightmare." Axl's 'mood swings' had become so regular. "I said to Duff and Slash, we gotta learn a cover song or something, for when [Axl} leaves the stage. They were like, 'Ah, let's have another beer...' They didn't care."
The lowest point was the notorious riot that ensued halfway through a show in St. Louis in 1991, after Axl first dived into the crowd and then refused to continue the show because someone in the audience had taken a picture. Possibly the most unsavory incident in the band's crazed, incident-driven career, as Izzy says now: "When something like that happens, you can't help but think bac to Donington [in 1988, when two fans were trampled to death in the rush for the stage at the start of GN'R's set]. What's to stop us from having some more people trampled - because the singer doesn't like something? Like, what's the point? What are we getting at here?"
Travelling in his own trailer-truck from gig to gig while the others flew - no longer able merely to lose himself in the illusion - Izzy knew it was only a matter of time before he bailed out completely. Steven had already gone - hypocritically bumped out of the band for failing to deal with his own drug problems. Things just weren't the same anymore. "The music had taken a back seat, there was nothing new coming from us. We didn't sit around and play accoustic guitars anymore. It was like, oh, time to go on - where's the singer? The singer walked off? Now what do we do?
"We'd started out as a garage band and it became like a huge band, which was fine. But everything was so magnified... Drug addictions, personalities... it just became... too much. Plus, my friends, these guys... I'm basically watching them kill themselves. Not so much Axl, but Slash and Duff, man - these guys were on my top ten list of guys that might die this week. And I'm thinking, you know what, I just don't want to be part of it. It didn't feel like it was good."
Izzy's decision to leave Guns N' Roses was announced officially in November 1991. Looking back at the cuttings, it seems like nobody made much fuss about it. The downsizing of GN'R to the Axl & Slash Show had begun long before that.
Unlike Steven Adler, whose career nose-dived after leaving the band, Izzy's first impulse was to start up his own band - the Ju Ju Hounds. An album of the same name quickly followed and within a year Izzy was back on tour, only this time it was clubs and theaters [including a warmly-received appearance in London's Town & Country club]. "No more hockey stadiums," he shudders.
A more low-key recording than the inflamed GN'R catalog he had helped produce, 'Ju Ju Hounds' perfectly mirrored it's creator's new outlook: funky, free-flowing, unworried. Not a bit like the band - or the man - he left behind. "When I got out of Guns N' Roses, I started riding bikes again. Cos I rode 'em as a kid. And then I stopped for a few years in LA cos I didn't have a bike." Which was probably just as well, giving his, uh, state of mind then. "Fucking A!" he laughs. "Damn straight, or I probably wouldn't be sitting here now. But I did a lot of things I hadn't done for a long time. I just started..." His hands fiddle with the guitar again as he searches for the right words, "I just started living again..."
Musically, at first he found it hard not having the rest of the band to bounce off of. "In Guns N' Roses I'd write a bunch of songs and I'd play them for Axl and he'd go 'Oh, that sounds like Thin Lizzy's 'Jailbreak'. Or 'That sounds like Queen!' He would always pick this shit apart and sometimes it was annoying. But suddenly I'm in this new thing and I don't have somebody [like that]."
On the plus side, unlike Slash, who would eventually have to find a new frontman for his songs, singing was not a problem for Izzy. "It felt pretty natural. Axl was never usually there for rehearsals, so I'd be the guy singing a fucked-up version of 'Paradise City' or whatever. It became a matter of, well, now I always have to sing them."
Had he been tempted to get a frontman, though? He nearly chokes on his camomile. "No. By that point, I said I'd rather sit around and play acoustic guitar in my bedroom than try that."
Nevertheless, Izzy did return briefly to the Gunners, in 1993, after Gilby Clarke, his short-lived replacement, busted his hand in a dirt bike accident. For the fans, it was a welcome return for one of the original members. For Izzy, "It was weird. We toured Greece, Istanbul, London - I liked that side of it, seeing some places I'd never seen."
But that was the only thing he did like about it. After he'd left the band, he had "a big shitload of money sitting somewhere [for me] and they weren't paying me [it]. I don't know the deal was, some kind of legal bullshit." Funds, he claims, which were only released after he agreed to come back temporarily. "Money was a big sore point. I did the dates just for salary. I mean, I helped start this band..." Up comes the guitar again. A flurry of angry notes ensue.
These were his final shows with Guns N' Roses. He left without saying goodbye. "I didn't actually say 'see you' cos they were all fucked up. They didn't even recognize me. It was really bizarre. It was like playing with zombies. Ah man, it was just horrible. Nobody was laughing anymore..."
He says his last face-to-face contact was six years ago. "I'd moved back out to LA. I bought this old Norton Commando 850 and was riding around one day and I thought, fuck it, I'll go by his house. Bastard, he lives up in the hills, in this big house. I'll go and see what he's up to, what he's doing, you know?
"And I go up and he's got security gates, cameras, walls, all this shit, you know. So I'm ringing the buzzers, and eventually somebody comes and takes me up and there he is. He's like, ''Hey, man! Glad to see you!' Gives me a big hug and shows me round his house. It was great.
"Then, I don't know, probably a month later, one night he calls me [and] we got into the issue of me leaving Guns N' Roses. I told him how it was on my side. Told him exactly how I felt about it and why I left. And man, that's the last time I've talked to the guy!
"But, I mean he had a fucking notepad. I could hear him [turning the pages] going, 'Well, ah, you said in 1982... blah, blah, blah...' And I'm like, what the fuck - 1982? He was bringing up a lot of really weird old shit. I'm like, whatever, man. But that's the last time I talked to him.
"Every two or three years I'll put a call in to the office and say, 'Hey, tell Axl gimme a call if he wants to'. But I mean... the weirdness of his life. To me, I live pretty normal. I can go anywhere. In 2001, I don't think people really give a shit. But for Axl, I knew for the longest time, because his face was all over the television, and stuff. I don't think he could really go anywhere or do anything.
"And I think because of that he kind of got himself in a little hole up there in the hills. He kind of dug in deeper and deeper and now I think he's gone so fucking deep he's just... I mean, I could be completely wrong. But I know he doesn't drive [unheard of in LA] and he doesn't... he doesn't do anything. I've never, never seen him in town. Isolation can be a bad thing, but Axl's been at it for a long time now. you know, he always stays up at night..." He drifts off, not even trying to find the words this time.
The key to Axl's personality, reckons Izzy, still lies back in Lafayette. "In high school, you know, Axl, he had long, red hair, he was a little guy and he got a lot of shit [because of it]. I think he never got laid, too, in school. I hate to bring this up cos this is getting nasty," he laughs. "But he never got no pussy at school, Axl. So now the guy's a big fucking rock star, he's got the chicks lined up, he's got money and he's got people... and the power went to this guy's head. I mean, he was a fucking monster! Nuts! Crazy!"
"And I never saw it coming. I mean, this is my side of it, he'd probably say I'm completely fucking crazy, but I think he went power mad. Suddenly he was trying to control everything. Did you ever see those fucked up contracts for the journalists to sign?" he asks, referring to notorious 'consent forms' that Axl foolishly tried to foist on the media in 1991.
"The control issue just became worse and worse and eventually it filtered down to the band. He was trying to draw up contracts for everybody! And this guy, he's not a Harvard graduate, Axl. He's just a guy, just a little guy, who sings, is talented. But man, he turned into this fucking maniac. And I did, too, but it was a different kind of maniac. I was paranoid about the business aspect - I was the one freaking out going, 'Where's all the money?'"
He tells a hair-raising story of a 'missing' million-dollar advance from a merchandising company. "I'm out of my fucking gourd, right? I'm at the fax machine and I've got like a hundred faxes strung across this room. And I've got a pistol on the desk cos I kept hearing people walking on my roof, right? So I'm snorting coke, faxes keep coming, snorting more coke... And I'm reading rhrough this stuff, trying to just grasp what had happened to us.
"The call that really sent me off my rocker was [from] one of the attorneys. I said, 'There was a million-dollar advance, where is it?' And he goes, 'Well, Izzy, I don't really know right now'. I was just like 'Aaarrrgggghhhhhh!!' It was just the last thing and I snapped completely.
"For [Axl] the money wasn't as big a deal. But he had this power thing where he wanted complete control. And you can say, well, it goes back to your fucked up childhood where his dad used to smack him around, you know, and he had no control, so now he's getting it back. But it's like, it's still kooky, you know? You don't have to have everybody signing stuff."
When Axl finally gave his old school friend a contract to sign, it was the final straw. "This is right before I left - demoting me to some lower position. They were gonna cut my percentage of royalties down. I was like 'Fuck you! I've been there from day one, why should I do that? Fuck you. I'll go play the Whiskey'. That's what happened. It was utterly insane."
Axl still has his contracts, and still owns the band's name. But in achieving those hard-fought goals he has sacrificed the one thing worth fighting for: the band themselves. That's a strange way to conduct business no matter how you look at it.
"I recognize it as something that's not normal," Izzy agrees. "Maybe it was just the stress and pressure of being him. I mean, he had people threatening to kill him constantly. So that's got to be hard to deal with. Then you've got those fucking morons in the KKK thinking we're behind them because of one song ['One In A Million']."
The decision to put 'One In Million' on 'GN'R Lies', their 1988 mini-album - with its denigrating lines about 'Immigrants and faggots' coming to 'our country' to 'spread some fuckin' disease' - was typical of the skewed thinking that now pilots the GN'R flagship alone.
"That's a song that the whole band says: 'Don't put that on there. You're white, you've got red hair, don't use it.' You know? 'Fuck you! I'm gonna do it cos I'm Axl!' OK, go ahead, it's your fucking head. Of course, you're guilty by association. [But] what are you gonna do? He's out of control and I'm just the fucking guitar player..."
Interestingly, when I remark that it must feel like strange timing, to be here promoting his own album, just as Axl is powering up for the next GN'R opus, he disagrees. "No, it's perfect timing."
How so? Has he heard it? "Not a note. I'd like to hear it, actually."
How does he feel though knowing it's being said as a Guns N' Roses album?
"Well, it's obviously not Guns N' Roses. I think all the fans [know that]. It's not even right that he uses the name, because he's the only guy [left]. I think ultimately it's gonna work agaist him because people are gonna say fuck you, wanker - that's what they'll call him here, right? 'You fucking wanker, that's not Guns N' Roses!' Hopefully, the maniac's good, cos if the music isn't good then he's gonna get the double-whammy..."
A hypothetical question then: Axl's [solo] album flops, and he offers you all the chance to get back together - just like Aerosmith and Sabbath - would you do it? I mean, assuming Axl would be... "broke?" he cuts in, laughing. "I could hear the call." Goes into gruff Axl impersonation: "'You know, I've been, ah, thinking'. He talks really slow when he gets an idea like that. 'Aahhh, I've been thinking...' And I'd be thinking, 'He must be broke'," he chuckles. "That's how I imagine the call would go."
He said the band still get hopeful promoters trying to tempt them back together with promises of enourmous wedge. "Oh, yeah. Around the big millenium hype, for sure." Is he ever tempted? "Yeah, why not?" he chuckles, "A [one-off] gig would be easy, I'd think."
What about an album, though? Now he really does laugh.
"Well, you know what? It's funny cos like me, Duff and Slash - we could go in and make a Guns N' Roses record in a week. basic tracks. [But] vocals and leads [instrumentation] could take God knows how long..."
After the 'Ju Ju Hounds' world tour in 1993, Izzy and his Swedish wife Aneka took to traveling before they eventually settled back in Indiana in 1994, where they continue to partially reside, in between extended working visits to LA.
Although 'River' will be his fourth solo album, the chief features of his post-GN'R career have been extended bouts of motorbike riding and "just hanging out". He says he's happy sacrificing big time superstardom for doing his own thing. "I just wanna make cool records... I'm having a great time and there's a lot of satisfaction in making it all fit together."
Though generally good value, his albums usually receive only mixed reactions from the critics. The main stumbling block, what gives them their strength: that they don't sound remotely like Guns N' Roses albums.
"I was in that band so I know it's what everyone wants to talk about," he says. "But when I first did press, it was like, 'I didn't hear your record but I heard you did heroin.' I'm like, yeah, I did heroin. Next guy, same thing. It was the Jerry Springer Show. I said, let's take a break..."
When he plays live now, he shies away from playing Guns N' Roses songs.
"In the 80's, the band just struck a nerve. But since I left, I've never played any Guns N' Roses songs. I played in Japan one time with Duff and we tried 'Paradise City' but we couldn't do it and keep a straight face."
What if Axl turned up and wanted to sing something?
"If Axl was in town and wanted to do 'Paradise City', we'd say fuck, yeah! We'll play it if he'll come up and sing it."
Re: The Izzy Interview from 2001
I know everyone has read that, or at least knows parts of it(the infamous "its not GNR" line), but even though he is stating what we already know regarding this, the line just really stands out and is even more frightening by how easy it seems to roll off his tongue....
"The music had taken a back seat, there was nothing new coming from us.
Amazing. He is basically talking about 91 as he is also talking about his last tour with them. Pretty obvious why tracks from the early years were having to be used for the grandiose Illusions project. There was nothing left in the tank.
Its just mind boggling to know that what was the greatest band on the planet at the time had no fucking ideas whatsoever. Zero creativity. The next three years we got a cover album and a cover song, and the remaining years with original members still intact produced nothing but a few instrumentals.
I'm starting to think drugs played a big role in the lack of vision instead of Izzy's departure being the breaking point, although plenty of legendary bands have created classic albums strung out on dope.
Maybe the old band did die at the perfect moment. If they were sitting smack dab in the middle of 91 and cant even buy an idea, then clearly the only direction to go was down.
Izzy left at the perfect moment.
Had old songs not been used for UYI, they would have been lucky to even have a full album's worth of material ready in late 91.
I was reading some threads at mygnr and came across this interview. Read it years ago, but decided to read it again and how simple and to the point his statement was about what was basically the death of the band as a viable creative unit kind of caught me off guard.
Re: The Izzy Interview from 2001
who wrote that and what magazine was it in? Probably the most impartial interview you will get from any band member....There was no way he could be sober and stay with the band though.
James, I think you are taking the creativity thing out of context. He is talking about the beginning of the UYI tour when all the songs had already been written. There was no need to sit around writing more. He is just saying that the band members were all isolated and partying basically. They weren't sitting around strumming acoustic guitars together-basically coming up with more ideas. It wasn't like they had ran out of ideas. They just weren't hanging out jammin together like the old days from 85-88. See what I'm saying?
Izzy's having to be isolated for addiction purposes caused alot of problems with Axl obviously. Axl has said that he thought Izzy wasn't carrying his load anymore. In reality, he probably wasn't because being around a bunch of addicts wasn't good for his mental health. He did what he had to do to stay clean, but it could not coexist with the Gnr locomotive at that point.
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reading this again, and then reading the reasons why Izzy left chapter in Slash's book, i still can't believe the amount of disrespect these guys have shown to him....unbelievable.
Out of all of them, Izzy was the only one who got out on time, but the way he was treated was very uncool.
Re: The Izzy Interview from 2001
I know everyone has read that, or at least knows parts of it(the infamous "its not GNR" line), but even though he is stating what we already know regarding this, the line just really stands out and is even more frightening by how easy it seems to roll off his tongue....
"The music had taken a back seat, there was nothing new coming from us.
Amazing. He is basically talking about 91 as he is also talking about his last tour with them. Pretty obvious why tracks from the early years were having to be used for the grandiose Illusions project. There was nothing left in the tank.
Its just mind boggling to know that what was the greatest band on the planet at the time had no fucking ideas whatsoever. Zero creativity. The next three years we got a cover album and a cover song, and the remaining years with original members still intact produced nothing but a few instrumentals.
Wow, thats the most idiotic thing I've ever heard from you. Old songs were used on the UYI albums so that they could get all the old songs out of the way so they could start off fresh, with new songs for a future project. Do you fail to realize that UYI was two part specifically so that they could get all the song out there? 
No ideas? You do realize that TSI was a long term plan since 1991. Its basically served the same purpose as lies, to have some material out there to keep in the public eye while they worked on something else. The remaining years were full of lots of disagreements, thats why nothing substantial occured.
I'm sorry dude, but your post was pretty humorous.
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You're calling me an idiot for having an opinion on something I experienced, and then felt it was worth a fucking smite??
Gimme a fucking break. If they were doing it to "get all the old songs out of the way", where's the other unreleased shit on Illusions?
You got me. I don't realize a damn thing about Illusions even though I saw them on the tour and bought the records the moment of release.
TSI a "long term plan"? Thats a fucking joke. Anyone here who experienced this can vouch for the fact TSI wasn't even supposed to exist. When the tracklists for UYI were revealed, half of TSI was on it. Only reason it didn't make the final cut is because it wouldn't fit. Just because you seen the tokyo DVD and Axl mentioning a "punk cover album" doesn't mean it was some grand vision.
No, it didn't have the same purpose as Lies. It was a throwaway album the band didn't care about. Other than Slash saying a few sentences to People Magazine in 93, it wasn't even promoted.
who wrote that and what magazine was it in?
The interview was with Mick Wall.
Re: The Izzy Interview from 2001
Oh, I never said it was a bad interview. Like you said, its probably the most honest interview we will ever get, although some of Axl's early 90's interviews rank pretty high on my list as well.
Its just mind boggling that someone would call me an idiot for having an opinion on something I lived through. That would be like me calling my grandpa an idiot when he was alive just because he has an opinion on World War II.
Re: The Izzy Interview from 2001
SI was just a mistake....As we talked about before James, all they needed was the original plan in 1990....Slash says it was suppose to be an ep of cover tunes...which would have been fine with me-that is a holdover, not a full album's worth. The Illusions didn't need Knockin or LALD anyway.
"An EP is probably the direction we're going to go as far as some of the covers are concerned. There are six covers: "Live and Let Die," by Wings, "Knockin' on Heaven's Door," by Dylan -- that new version [on the soundtrack for Days of Thunder] that went nowhere -- "Don't Care About You," by Fear, "Attitude," by the Misfits, "New Rose," by the Damned, and "Down on the Farm," by U.K. Subs. They're songs that we like -- it's as basic as that. Each of us has an individual favorite, and at the same time we share some. "New Rose" is something Duff wanted to do, I think. "Don't Care About You" is something I wanted. The Misfits song was Axl's idea, and "Heaven's Door" and "Live and Let Die" were songs Axl and I both thought about doing."
That is what was recorded during the UYI sessions. They added all the other crap when Gilby was in the band.:sick:
Re: The Izzy Interview from 2001
You're calling me an idiot for having an opinion on something I experienced, and then felt it was worth a fucking smite??
Gimme a fucking break. If they were doing it to "get all the old songs out of the way", where's the other unreleased shit on Illusions?
You got me. I don't realize a damn thing about Illusions even though I saw them on the tour and bought the records the moment of release.
TSI a "long term plan"? Thats a fucking joke. Anyone here who experienced this can vouch for the fact TSI wasn't even supposed to exist. When the tracklists for UYI were revealed, half of TSI was on it. Only reason it didn't make the final cut is because it wouldn't fit. Just because you seen the tokyo DVD and Axl mentioning a "punk cover album" doesn't mean it was some grand vision.
No, it didn't have the same purpose as Lies. It was a throwaway album the band didn't care about. Other than Slash saying a few sentences to People Magazine in 93, it wasn't even promoted.
who wrote that and what magazine was it in?
The interview was with Mick Wall.
here here, i did not call you an idiot, i simply observed that what you deduced was slightly idiotic. The unreleased stuff from illusions? If it was recorded it obviously just didn't make the album. The songs that they had written between the start of their career and that time were released on UYI. Stuff they wrote since appetite, and before appetite because they didnt think it was right for that album.
I think you read it out of context
"The music had taken a back seat, there was nothing new coming from us. We didn't sit around and play accoustic guitars anymore. It was like, oh, time to go on - where's the singer? The singer walked off? Now what do we do?
I think he was reffering to the general lifestyle of that period, and during the tour. I'm sorry, but again, you came up with facts to support your own conclusions.
