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Furbush
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Re: Most Recent Movie You've Seen

Furbush wrote:
tejastech08 wrote:
tylerdurden wrote:

i saw memento and loved it...
however... maybe i'm retarded, or i am overthinking it... but can someone just explain the movie for me.... it was remarkably entertaining... but i just can't fully wrap my head around what is REALLY going on...
yes... i'm THAT guy

Here is the chronological plot from Wikipedia. Highlight to read:

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Memento is presented in two alternating sequences of scenes; one set of scenes, filmed in black and white, progresses forward, while the second set of scenes are in color and presented in reverse order; the two sequences "meet" at the end of the film, thus overall describing one common story.

The main character of the story is Leonard Shelby, a man that suffers from anterograde amnesia, causing him to lose his memories of recent events, unable to form new memories for himself. As the black-and-white narrative opens, he finds himself in a hotel room with instructions from himself to shave a portion of his body and tattoo information onto it, similar to numerous other tattoos he has. As he does this, he receives a phone call, and proceeds to tell the caller of what he remembers. Leonard was an insurance claims investigator, and was assigned the case of Sammy Jankis, a man who seemed to be suffering from anterograde amnesia. Leonard explains how Sammy's inability to even learn via conditioning makes him unable to allow Sammy to get compensation, expressing how he felt Sammy's condition could not be physical in nature, suggested his condition was simply psychological. Out of a mixture of grief and desire to know if her husband's condition was sincere, one day, Sammy's wife asked him for a shot of insulin every few minutes, pretending each one was her first. If her husband's condition were real, he would continue to give her insulin even though it would kill her. The overdose was fatal. Later, Leonard and his wife are attacked by an unknown assailant, causing his wife to die from a fatal wound while Leonard becomes afflicted with anterograde amnesia. Keeping Sammy's case close in mind, Leonard has tried to discover his wife's attacker, using a system of Polaroid photographs and tattoos on his body to retain information that he needs, such as the attacker being known as "John G.", and allowing him to overcome his amnesia.

During the call, Leonard realizes that his tattoos have told him never to answer the phone, and quickly tries to hang up; the caller, insists that he is a cop and that he needs to meet with Leonard. Leonard meets Officer Gammell in the lobby, though Gammell insists that Leonard calls him Teddy since he is undercover. Teddy reveals that a man named Jimmy Grantz is the second attacker and sends Leonard to a desolate buidling to meet and there Leonard kills Jimmy on Teddy's word, taking a photo of the scene. At this point, the two separate sequences in the movie overlap, as the photo of dead Jimmy develops. As Leonard leaves, Teddy tries to convince Leonard that he has conditioned himself to continue his quest for vengeance. Teddy also insists that Leonard is confusing elements of Sammy's story with his own, Sammy having been single and a con man trying to fraud the insurance company; Teddy asserts that Leonard's wife survived the attack and that Leonard later himself administered his wife's overdose of insulin after the onset of his amnesia. After hearing what Teddy states Leonard purposely destoys the photos indicating his quest is done, writes down "don't believe his lies" on Teddy's photograph and leaves a note to himself to get a tattoo with Teddy's license plate implicating him as his wife's attacker, even though his voiceover indicates he does not believe Teddy is the second attacker. He then leaves in Jimmy's car. As his amnesia sets in, he comes across a tattoo parlor [which is the end of the film proper, but this is where the film begins to go into reverse scene order] and follows his instructions with regards to Teddy's license plate.

Without other clues to go on, Leonard goes to a bar listed on a coaster in Jimmy's car. At the bar, he meets Natalie, Jimmy's girlfriend, who is initially hostile to Leonard wondering why Leonard is at the bar in Jimmy's car and wearing Jimmy's clothes. However, as Leonard explains his situation, Natalie realizes she can manipulate Leonard, turning him on a man named Dodd that she claims has been trying to harass her in order to get back at Jimmy. Leonard is able to track Dodd down and capture him; with Teddy's help, they force him to leave town. Again, Teddy attempts to warn Leonard of his dangerous quest, but Leonard refuses to listen based on his own comment scrawled on Teddy's photograph. Leonard returns to Natalie, and the two spend the night together, with Natalie promising to retrieve the driver's license of the car that his latest tattoo is registered to. They meet the next afternoon and she provides Leonard with the information as well as a desolate location in order to kill him. Leonard finds the information points to Teddy, whose real name is "John Edward Gammell", matching all the facts of the case based on his tattoos; his own warning on Teddy's picture affirms his suspicions. He lures Teddy to the same desolate building where he killed Jimmy, and proceeds to kill Teddy, taking a picture of dead Teddy just like he took a picture of dead Jimmy. This scene is the opening scene of the movie behind the movie credits, and is the only scene in the movie that played in reverse.

I would consider buying it if I were you ($9.50 for the single disc DVD at Amazon) and re-watch it several times. Like I mentioned, it is one of the few movies I've seen that keeps getting better and better with each viewing. First time around is a total mindfuck but leaves you amazed. The repeat viewings allow you to soak it all in and fully understand WTF's going on while also appreciating aspects that you probably wouldn't notice the first time around because it's so confusing during that initial viewing. 22

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so pantoliano is posing as a cop to get "mr forgetful" to kill motherfuckers...? but he's really the guy that killed his wife?
or leonard killed his wife and these pricks are taking advantage of him....?

i've seen it several times.. and i did read the synopsis in wiki....
i just need it spelled out

tejastech08
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Re: Most Recent Movie You've Seen

tejastech08 wrote:
tylerdurden wrote:
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so pantoliano is posing as a cop to get "mr forgetful" to kill motherfuckers...? but he's really the guy that killed his wife?
or leonard killed his wife and these pricks are taking advantage of him....?

i've seen it several times.. and i did read the synopsis in wiki....
i just need it spelled out

Here's the basic gist...

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Leonard is Sammy Jankis. He gets the amnesia when he and his wife are robbed in their home. He thinks she died during the robbery but she didn't. And since he cannot create new memories after the robbery, he forgets every single thing he does. He ends up giving her too much insulin and she dies. Joe Pantoliano is a cop and helps Leonard find the robber. Leonard kills the robber and Pantoliano takes a picture of Leonard (smiling, happy that he's avenged himself and his wife) to commemorate it but because Leonard cannot remember what he did 5 minutes ago, he forgets that he has already killed the robber. And that is when the main story of Memento comes into the fold. Pantoliano's character, the cop, begins using Leonard to take out drug dealer scumbags. The very end of the film (which is actually the beginning of the story) features Leonard killing Jimmy Grantz, a drug dealer. Pantoliano's character wants to take out the drug dealer but he's also a crooked cop so he wants to steal the drug money that's involved ($200,000). Jimmy Grantz (drug dealer that's killed) is the boyfriend of Carrie Ann Moss' character Natalie. Eventually Carrie Ann Moss' character finds out that Leonard had killed her boyfriend through manipulation by Pantioliano's character. So she finds out enough information about Pantoliano's character in order to manipulate Leonard into thinking that Pantoliano's character is the robber that gave him amnesia. Natalie (Moss) wanted revenge on Teddy (Pantoliano) and it worked out perfectly for her. And thus the beginning of the film shows Leonard killing Pantoliano's character, which is the end of the story and then of course the film tells the story backwards from there.

The entire thing is a cycle that never ends. Leonard has the case files from the cops, but he blacks out certain words and phrases in the documents that will lead him to the robber. It's a puzzle that he can never solve and since he cannot form new memories, he is always going in a cycle. This is how Moss' character Natalie is able to manipulate him into killing Pantoliano's character at the beginning of the film (which is the end of the story). Presumably after killing Pantoliano's character, Leonard will go looking for the robber once again. He won't remember what he did 5 minutes ago and like I said, his case files lead him to some very basic conclusions, such as "John G." At one point, Pantoliano's character points out that his own name is John G. There's a million John G's in the world.

supaplex
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Re: Most Recent Movie You've Seen

supaplex wrote:
russtcb wrote:

watched The Final Destination last night. Humorous at best.

i've only seen the trailer and i already know how everybody is going to die. why would they do that?

Axlin16
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Re: Most Recent Movie You've Seen

Axlin16 wrote:

That's the problem with 'kill' movies. I think it's plagued Friday The 13th, but not so much Halloween. Halloween grounds itself on retelling a story, but creating such an aura, that you kind of sink into the vibe of the film. At least the earlier ones did.

Final Destination, suffers from the same issue as F13. When you prime basis is being a 'body count' film, the only way to keep stuff fresh, is to come up with new and inventive ways, to off your cast. The gorier the better. The more over the top the better.

But that shit runs it's course ALOT faster. Eventually you just run out of gas on how to kill people, and it becomes just the same films over and over. It's te reason Saw has sucked ass, since II. I'm still stunned that F13 is sitting on 12 films. I sure as shit hope Final Destination doesn't keep going on.

Axl S
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Re: Most Recent Movie You've Seen

Axl S wrote:

NIN Broken(film)

One word. Fucked up.

Axlin16
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Re: Most Recent Movie You've Seen

Axlin16 wrote:

Halloween II (2009)

tejastech08
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Re: Most Recent Movie You've Seen

tejastech08 wrote:

Casablanca.

Re: Most Recent Movie You've Seen

AtariLegend wrote:

Inglorious Bastards

Surprising Ending... 16

Axl S
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Re: Most Recent Movie You've Seen

Axl S wrote:
AtariLegend wrote:

Inglorious Bastards

Surprising Ending... 16

That's an understatement,

tejastech08
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Re: Most Recent Movie You've Seen

tejastech08 wrote:

Following.

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