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Re: Does anyone else get the impression that Axl is trying to re-build ...
If we're being honest here, every single replacement since 1990 has been a degradation to the musician that they have replaced. Judging by the majority of posts that I read on this forum, it seems to be the consensus that the 2002 lineup was far better than (what we know to be) the line-up that we have today. Josh Freese was/is a pretty in-demand studio drummer and he knew that he had better things to do with his career than to wait on Axl to dig up the courage to release an album. Bucket - while I personally don't think the dude had any business being in GNR, he is a pretty badass guitar player. He too knew that he did not need Axl Rose to be a successful. Finck - while I don't personally see anything special about his guitar playing, some did. And he had Trent and NIN to fall back on.
Look at our lineup today. Do any of you see Fortus, Ferrar, Pittman, Ashba, or Bumble walking out on Axl? I sure as hell don't. What better do they have to do? What more are they capable of? They're all 40 something average musicians who are barely recognizable (if at all) to the general public. If these guys were to leave it would likely be because Axl chose to fire them.
Do you guys think this is what Axl was aiming for? Surely it has to get old replacing guitar players and drummers every tour simply because they get sick and tired of wasting their lives doing nothing. But if Axl is able to keep a bunch of over the hill, nowhere else to go, average at best, studio musicians on the payroll, this is one concern that he will no longer have.
Does anybody else get the impression that this is what Axl is hoping for? Or is it just a coincidence that this has been the case thus far?
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Re: Does anyone else get the impression that Axl is trying to re-build ...
I think Axl seeks total creative control, out of a legitimate belief that only he understands what GnR is and only he cares enough about it at this point. Having that domination of creative control combined with inactivity drives away most talented people which is a factor in the old band's demise and the driving force behind departures from the 99-02 era players. What's left is either those who are just looking for money, and they are rarely the most talented or creative, and those who truly LOVE old gnr-style rock, and that is a diminishing supply.
Axl doesn't want anyone in the band to be able to say no to him, so ultimately anyone with aspirations of creative control or consistent touring will leave the band.
Re: Does anyone else get the impression that Axl is trying to re-build ...
I don't think he was "hoping" for this, nor is it a "coincidence", it's basically the net result of Axl's past history. Every action has an equal & opposite reaction. Axl's a hermit, doesn't like to release new music for years on end, like you said, people leave. Therefore, he builds a reputation of being like that, and a bit eccentric. So other A-list talent musicians turn down the offer or leave (Zakk, Brain), and then, no offense to those in the band but I guess non a-list musicians are eventually called as others have turned it down.
It'd be like if a star HS QB did something awful to his girlfriend, hit her or cheated on her or something, they break up, and the prom was coming up. Well, he'd call all the other girls who wanted him before, and they'd turn him down. But if he kept going down his schools list of girls, eventually one of the girls would probably accept to go with him. It might be a chubby girl with braces and acne, but one would go I'm sure.
I apologize to the bandmates, that's a horrible analogy to you as you're all massively talented, but that's my hyperbole of how GnR got to what it is today.
Re: Does anyone else get the impression that Axl is trying to re-build ...
I personally think that music industry is so much different today.Guns is a historic band that lost 2-3 chances for a glorious comeback...Guns will tour every 3 years ,then stop for 2 years,band members will do side projects and that's the way it'll be...There's nothing wrong with that.It's inevitable...Guns is a band with a huge past that doesn't need MTV airplay anymore...It's all about managers now.
Ron,Dizzy,DJ etc will always be mentioned as "member of Guns n' Roses" and as for the public recognition-you mentioned- i think people who care about music do know them...I see kids today with their i-pods ignoring Zeppelin and Rory Gallagher or Miles Davis...and that's the saddest part.It's all about promo and individual interest as well.
Re: Does anyone else get the impression that Axl is trying to re-build ...
If we're being honest here, every single replacement since 1990 has been a degradation to the musician that they have replaced. Judging by the majority of posts that I read on this forum, it seems to be the consensus that the 2002 lineup was far better than (what we know to be) the line-up that we have today. Josh Freese was/is a pretty in-demand studio drummer and he knew that he had better things to do with his career than to wait on Axl to dig up the courage to release an album. Bucket - while I personally don't think the dude had any business being in GNR, he is a pretty badass guitar player. He too knew that he did not need Axl Rose to be a successful. Finck - while I don't personally see anything special about his guitar playing, some did. And he had Trent and NIN to fall back on.
Look at our lineup today. Do any of you see Fortus, Ferrar, Pittman, Ashba, or Bumble walking out on Axl? I sure as hell don't. What better do they have to do? What more are they capable of? They're all 40 something average musicians who are barely recognizable (if at all) to the general public. If these guys were to leave it would likely be because Axl chose to fire them.
Do you guys think this is what Axl was aiming for? Surely it has to get old replacing guitar players and drummers every tour simply because they get sick and tired of wasting their lives doing nothing. But if Axl is able to keep a bunch of over the hill, nowhere else to go, average at best, studio musicians on the payroll, this is one concern that he will no longer have.
Does anybody else get the impression that this is what Axl is hoping for? Or is it just a coincidence that this has been the case thus far?
Hello BBA 
Nice to see you back again.
Re: Does anyone else get the impression that Axl is trying to re-build ...
If he was aiming for this bucket never would have been in the band in the first place.
Subconsciously: He's looking for "yes" men but i think he's consciously looking at what they bring to the table when they audition and he hires them.
I think he could could have gotten more "star power" when he first started rebuilding but knew he could build a great band without that though I would agree that (at that point in time) he may have still been harboring some resentment towards old band members and was valuing committment above talent.
Personally, I think Ashba can bring something to the table. If you don't like bumble, look at the circumstances under which he was brought in.....last minute and right before the tour. I don't think Axl was only aiming to bring in a mindless pawn but you have to consider whether or not he'd be in the band under different circumstances.
Re: Does anyone else get the impression that Axl is trying to re-build ...
-Rob- wrote:If we're being honest here, every single replacement since 1990 has been a degradation to the musician that they have replaced. Judging by the majority of posts that I read on this forum, it seems to be the consensus that the 2002 lineup was far better than (what we know to be) the line-up that we have today. Josh Freese was/is a pretty in-demand studio drummer and he knew that he had better things to do with his career than to wait on Axl to dig up the courage to release an album. Bucket - while I personally don't think the dude had any business being in GNR, he is a pretty badass guitar player. He too knew that he did not need Axl Rose to be a successful. Finck - while I don't personally see anything special about his guitar playing, some did. And he had Trent and NIN to fall back on.
Look at our lineup today. Do any of you see Fortus, Ferrar, Pittman, Ashba, or Bumble walking out on Axl? I sure as hell don't. What better do they have to do? What more are they capable of? They're all 40 something average musicians who are barely recognizable (if at all) to the general public. If these guys were to leave it would likely be because Axl chose to fire them.
Do you guys think this is what Axl was aiming for? Surely it has to get old replacing guitar players and drummers every tour simply because they get sick and tired of wasting their lives doing nothing. But if Axl is able to keep a bunch of over the hill, nowhere else to go, average at best, studio musicians on the payroll, this is one concern that he will no longer have.
Does anybody else get the impression that this is what Axl is hoping for? Or is it just a coincidence that this has been the case thus far?
Hello BBA
Nice to see you back again.
You beat me to it Atari.........BBA is back with a post he directly lifted from MYGNR.....UNBELIEVABLE the constant obsession.:nervous:
Re: Does anyone else get the impression that Axl is trying to re-build ...
Here is BBA, I Want a Reunion, Incognito ....now "Rob"....
from mygnr..
If we're being honest here, every single replacement since 1990 has been a degradation to the musician that they have replaced. Judging by the majority of posts that I read on this forum, it seems to be the consensus that the 2002 lineup was far better than (what we know to be) the line-up that we have today. Josh Freese was/is a pretty in-demand studio drummer and he knew that he had better things to do with his career than to wait on Axl to dig up the courage to release an album. Bucket - while I personally don't think the dude had any business being in GNR, he is a pretty badass guitar player. He too knew that he did not need Axl Rose to be a successful. Finck - while I don't personally see anything special about his guitar playing, some did. And he had Trent and NIN to fall back on.
Look at our lineup today. Do any of you see Fortus, Ferrar, Pittman, Ashba, or Bumble walking out on Axl? I sure as hell don't. What better do they have to do? What more are they capable of? They're all 40 something average musicians who are barely recognizable (if at all) to the general public. If these guys were to leave it would likely be because Axl chose to fire them.
Do you guys think this is what Axl was aiming for? Surely it has to get old replacing guitar players and drummers every tour simply because they get sick and tired of wasting their lives doing nothing. But if Axl is able to keep a bunch of over the hill, nowhere else to go, average at best, studio musicians on the payroll, this is one concern that he will no longer have.
"Does anybody else get the impression that this is what Axl is hoping for? Or is it just a coincidence that this has been the case thus far?
This post has been edited by I Want Reunion: Sep 20 2009, 07:43 PM "
please ban this guy now.:flame:
