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Randall Flagg
 Rep: 139 

Re: 9/11 Commission members questions their own investigation

Ventura isn't a demolitions expert.  He is someone who is trained to use explosives.  That's it. I was a combat engineer (detects mines and blows shit up) in the Army before I became an Officer.  My buddy Jared is Demo guy in 7th Group out of Bragg (Green Beret).   Neither of us call ourselves Demolition expers and Jared is every bit as trained if not moreso than Ventura ever was.  Ventura is some guy who went through some tough training, learned some shit about weapons and became a famous actor/wrestler.  He got elected to the governorship in Minnesota; the same state that elected Al Franken.  Obviously credibility isn't something people from Minnesota find important.

Don't let that fact that Ventura was a Seal fool you into thinking he knows something you don't.  He doesn't.  The guy lives in Mexico with his "governor card" or so he said last week on Stern.  Total nutjob.

Oh yea, I'm a Master Mason and my uncle was the head of the York Rite aka the Knight's Templar a few years back.  Those who know my real name can verify this with a simple google search.  There is no illuminati and the Masons are just a bunch of guys who dress in Tuxedos and enjoy secret handshakes and memorizing pages of "secret" dialogue.  All of which can be found with a simple google search.

polluxlm
 Rep: 221 

Re: 9/11 Commission members questions their own investigation

polluxlm wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Here we go again.  If we had a vote of subject matter experts (meaning people with degrees in Physics) on the issue, what would the tally almost unanimously favor?

Hard to say, but I highly doubt any tally would be unanimous or even close to it.

Oh really?  So we should question if the Earth is really round or that boozing while preagnant is bad?  That line of thought defeats the whole concept of higher learning and education.

You make it sound like the majority have always thought the Earth to be round.

Philosophy taught me that science is never proven, it is disproven. Meaning you can never absolutely know something to be true, you can only know it to be untrue. Proven theories are merely theories not yet disproven. Just as the flat earth theory and most of Aristotle's work were for centuries.

What we do know is that the theory currently upheld as the truth by the authorities (and logically following, the masses) is beginning to look more and more fragile in the face of new testimonies, documents and scientific research. There never was a proper investigation to begin with, and the one we got was scarcely funded and often hindered by various authorities, as witnessed in the OP. So it comes to little surprise that subsequent scrutiny tells quite the different story than the one originally offered.

One of the latest smoking guns is the question why explosive material is abound on the site even to this day, here's an interview by the Danish scientist Niels Harrit: http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=453

What is a shame is there is some concern in the underlying theme behind 9/11 truthers.  Namely the World Banks, but all that is swept aside when we take it to a whole new level and claim the US Govt blew up its own buildings.

I'm not sure what you are trying to convey here?

Randall Flagg
 Rep: 139 

Re: 9/11 Commission members questions their own investigation

polluxlm wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Here we go again.  If we had a vote of subject matter experts (meaning people with degrees in Physics) on the issue, what would the tally almost unanimously favor?

Hard to say, but I highly doubt any tally would be unanimous or even close to it.

Oh really?  So we should question if the Earth is really round or that boozing while preagnant is bad?  That line of thought defeats the whole concept of higher learning and education.

You make it sound like the majority have always thought the Earth to be round.

Philosophy taught me that science is never proven, it is disproven. Meaning you can never absolutely know something to be true, you can only know it to be untrue. Proven theories are merely theories not yet disproven. Just as the flat earth theory and most of Aristotle's work were for centuries.

What we do know is that the theory currently upheld as the truth by the authorities (and logically following, the masses) is beginning to look more and more fragile in the face of new testimonies, documents and scientific research. There never was a proper investigation to begin with, and the one we got was scarcely funded and often hindered by various authorities, as witnessed in the OP. So it comes to little surprise that subsequent scrutiny tells quite the different story than the one originally offered.

One of the latest smoking guns is the question why explosive material is abound on the site even to this day, here's an interview by the Danish scientist Niels Harrit: http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=453

What is a shame is there is some concern in the underlying theme behind 9/11 truthers.  Namely the World Banks, but all that is swept aside when we take it to a whole new level and claim the US Govt blew up its own buildings.

I'm not sure what you are trying to convey here?

What I was saying is that the World banks do pose a threat and are certainly involved in international politics.  However, because the banking institution is linked to events like 9/11 or the Illuminati, people discredit or dismiss everything about the argument.

Simply put, people might be more open to looking at the banking situation if the fringe didn't try to attach them to every conspiracy theory in existence.

James
 Rep: 664 

Re: 9/11 Commission members questions their own investigation

James wrote:

Cant those opposed to the 9/11 "truthers" at least admit there was something fishy surrounding the attack? While I agree that some of the stuff spewed from the movement is a bit far fetched, its not really out of the realm of possibility that it was a "false flag" operation of some kind. Is there concrete proof of this? Of course not. Possible? Absolutely. We already know from the past that our country(and others) are capable of doing such things. That Gulf of Tonkin incident, that shit that almost went down with Cuba during Kennedy's term(don't remember the name, not the Bay of Pigs), and various other incidents. Hell, some might even consider Reagan's invasion of Grenada to be a false flag of sorts to get the public's attention off the terrorist attack in Lebanon.

Most famous false flag would probably be the Reichstag fire.


I realize this has always been a touchy subject since so many Americans were killed, but I don't think the issue will ever go away completely.

Axlin16
 Rep: 768 

Re: 9/11 Commission members questions their own investigation

Axlin16 wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Ventura isn't a demolitions expert.  He is someone who is trained to use explosives.  That's it. I was a combat engineer (detects mines and blows shit up) in the Army before I became an Officer.  My buddy Jared is Demo guy in 7th Group out of Bragg (Green Beret).   Neither of us call ourselves Demolition expers and Jared is every bit as trained if not moreso than Ventura ever was.  Ventura is some guy who went through some tough training, learned some shit about weapons and became a famous actor/wrestler.  He got elected to the governorship in Minnesota; the same state that elected Al Franken.  Obviously credibility isn't something people from Minnesota find important.

Don't let that fact that Ventura was a Seal fool you into thinking he knows something you don't.  He doesn't.  The guy lives in Mexico with his "governor card" or so he said last week on Stern.  Total nutjob.

Oh yea, I'm a Master Mason and my uncle was the head of the York Rite aka the Knight's Templar a few years back.  Those who know my real name can verify this with a simple google search.  There is no illuminati and the Masons are just a bunch of guys who dress in Tuxedos and enjoy secret handshakes and memorizing pages of "secret" dialogue.  All of which can be found with a simple google search.

PRE-cisely. I completely agree with you, and that's part of my problem with Ventura. He over blows his expertise in the field.

And anytime you corner his argument or shut it down, he pulls the "i'm a Vietnam War Vet" card. Whatever the fuck that has to do with anything....

tejastech08
 Rep: 194 

Re: 9/11 Commission members questions their own investigation

tejastech08 wrote:

I don't believe in the Illuminati but I do believe the international banking cartel has a strong hand in many world events. The sovereignty of the United States was essentially handed over to them in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act. Many great American leaders fought the creation of a central bank up until that point. I do believe that the banks have gained a lot of wealth and power by playing certain populations of the world against each other. They funded both sides of World War II. If they were willing to fund Hitler, then I would not be a bit surprised if they funded 9/11. I don't know for sure if that's what happened, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised given various events in history.

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