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Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
Absolutely, russ. It is there fault and there's no excuse. And its the reason why I'm not going to see them live. But I still like the band, still interetsed in new music.
But to be honest, I've had trepidations about it since I was a kid and the people who were going to take me to see the GNR/Metallica tour didn't think it would be a good idea in case of a riot or them pulling a no show, or even, *gasps* a late start!
I understand the outrage. It's not col going on late. I can enjoy the spectacle because, one, I wasn't there, and two... I wasn't there
I do think what's happening now is very interesting. Not saying he's rebel or any of that. I think its the most interesting thing going on with a band at this very moment, because... I don't know whats going to happen next.
And, for the record, if the world hates them, and I'm the only fan left... I'm okay with that. Doesn't mean I agree with how they conduct themselves but my mindset regarding this band isn't as severe or great, positively or negatively, as others as it does others.
I'm in that camp as well. Maybe I'd get more upset at all this if it actually affected me personally. But it never has. I've seen them live twice. The first was a bit of a wait, but I expected it and there were plenty of breasts to look at on the jumbotron to pass the time. The second they took the stage on time at MSG. Back in 2002 I planned on seeing them in Las Vegas, as I was going to be out there at the time, but the tour was canceled so that never happened. I never got tickets though, so that's the closest I've been to being personally affected by any of this nonsense. I feel for those who have gone through these things and can understand where their displeasure comes from (ie. buzzsaw, bono, etc.). But for me, it's just entertaining watching this craziness from afar.
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
yeahthatsthe thing...most of the bitching comes from people who arent even directly affected by the dramatic things like this in the GNR world
seen the new band 4 times, and aside from a bit of a wait between acts nothig crazy has hapened
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
I might be brainwashed, but I'm really interested in what happens tonight. Axl treats fans like shit. We've known that for over 20 years. Along with the late starts and lame excuses. Been that way since the start. Nothing new.
I do think its kind of hypocrytical of people acting like this is so awful when its been going on forever, and its actually written in all their bios (pre nuGNR) that this shit is what made them a "bad ass" rock n roll band.
I have no doubt in my mind that the same people blasting him right now woud be licking Axl's ballsack if the 1988 line up was on tour right now, doing the same shit -- Meaning: the majority (not everyone) of the outrage on these boards has more to do with the who is and who isn't in the lineup than it does with Axl's childish behavior, imo.
I can understand being fed up with the non production and arrogant fan interaction with the GNR camp, though. I just don't think that's the whole reason for the outrage. And the average Joe making fun of them and hating them? Meh, lived through the 90's. Nothing new there, either.
The only thing that would probably irreversibly make me hate this band is hanging around HTGTH and the Axlites for any long length of time.
I don't think it has anything to do with the lineup at this point. I can't speak for everyone, but personally I'd be far more disappointed if the 88 lineup reunited and he was still pulling this crap. I've never made it any secret than I prefer the original lineup to the current band, but the absolute last thing I'd want to see is a reunion only to deal with a same ol' BS. I'd lose respect for Slash and co if they decided to come crawling back to Axl without making him eat some humble pie. I'd hate to see them sell out their integrity like that. To me that would be far more disappointing than what is going on now. There was a time where a reunion would been a dream come true for me, but I don't want any part of one if it would be like this. I don't ever want a reunion unless Axl gets over himself but that's never going to happen. So while musically I prefer the old band, I've long been over the idea of a reunion.
For me the outrage stems from the fact that there has been far more lows than highs with GNR in the past 15 years and they make no effort to turn it around. The hardcores stuck around regardless and they just get more BS slung their way. They like to pretend they care about the fans, but their actions always prove otherwise. It's just disrespectful for them to treat their fans that stuck around through all of the lows this way. I would honestly just rather the GNR name to finally be put to rest because this is just a sad pathetic shell of what was once a great band. It's nothing to do with the new guys either. The problem is this band revolves around Axl's out of control ego and he is incapable of leading this band into anywhere but the gutter.
To me this band seems like it's been stuck in limbo. Axl has an entirely new band and the hardcores have stuck around to move forward with him and watch him usher in a new era, but it's never really happened. All we got was one record that should have been one of the most anticipated releases in the last decade, but instead it was totally anti-climatic and half-assed. Occasionally we get a tour that temporarily rejuvenates the base, but it always ends with them self destructing in the same predictable fashion. Even before the self destruction the tours end up disappointing the fan base because instead of moving forward the band relies largely on the old material. The fans either want them to focus on the new era or if they are going to live in the past they should do it properly and reunite with the old band. No one wants a half-assed mish-mash of both eras.
The fact is this band is boring and it's nothing to do with who is in the lineup at this point. It's because there is little excitement. The little crumbs they do throw us are never done right and always end up in disappointment. This is a half-assed band due to their half-assed leader. That's the problem.
The fans are tired of the same ol' shit. They just want something new. They want a pay off for sticking around this long. Following a band should be fun, but the fun is far and few between with this band. It's just disappointment after disappointment. And we all know nothing is going to change. Who really expects anything but another period of silence when they are done touring?
The one thing I could say for a reunion is that it would bring excitement, but that excitement would only take us so far if Axl never bothered to change. I imagine the bitterness and disappointment would be at all time high if a reunion ended up like this. The band would be done for good, IMO.
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
How about that TIL clip on YouTube?
That song is getting better and better as the tour goes on. Axl really fucked it up a couple of times before. Lately it's been great!!
Tought I just give an opinion on the actual performance of the music, since the thread so far have been a contest in armageddon-prediction from fans thousands of miles from the actual event... You funny people you!!! 
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
Acquiesce, I still don't understand why you would, at any point or time, have expected anything to be different, no matter who was in the band. Seriously, nothing has changed, outside of who's in the band. If you got the reunion at any point in the last 20 years, it would be exactly the same as what you got now.
Now that I think of it, Axl has always bragged about how a show/tour/band might go down in flames at any moment even in front of the other bandmates, since the very first interview I ever saw of him. He's said it to the point that it's now pretty generic. But I really don't see a difference in how he conducts himself from any other time 
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
Acquiesce, I still don't understand why you would, at any point or time, have expected anything to be different, no matter who was in the band. Seriously, nothing has changed, outside of who's in the band. If you got the reunion at any point in the last 20 years, it would be exactly the same as what you got now.
Now that I think of it, Axl has always bragged about how a show/tour/band might go down in flames at any moment even in front of the other bandmates, since the very first interview I ever saw of him. He's said it to the point that it's now pretty generic. But I really don't see a difference in how he conducts himself from any other time
Personally I don't expect anything other than what we see which is why I rarely visit this forum. I have been fairly apathetic about this band for the last year or so. I just happened to see a tweet about Reading and surfed on over to see what the drama was. Sadly the drama is far more entertaining than the actual band, IMO.
You're right it's not going to be different no matter who is in the band and that's my whole point in responding to you. People aren't upset with the lineup, it's the actions. I hear you though, this is who the band is and nothing is going to change. It just sounds like some fans who were able to accept it are suddenly at their breaking point. I've already met mine.
I think the difference between the past and now is there was a lot to look forward to during their heyday despite the BS. Now we get very little and that little is usually clouded with BS. Some fans are just happy their favorite band is active and just look at the positives and that is okay. Others just can't overlook all of the negative and it becomes aggravating. I guess those people just need to figure out whether it is worth it or not. For me it isn't.
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
This thread is a complete and total bore...
I still cannot believe people are trying to defend Axl.
And yes, a reunion would mean nothing. If anything Axl would pull more of his gay ass, pussy ass, punk ass, cocksucker bullshit, because he'd be pissed that he had to work with the real band again. Not that the world didn't know it 20 years ago, but in Axl's mind itself, he'd have to finally admit everyone in the venue is there for 5-6 guys, not just him.
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
And yes, a reunion would mean nothing. If anything Axl would pull more of his gay ass, pussy ass, punk ass, cocksucker bullshit, because he'd be pissed that he had to work with the real band again.
Normally you have good points, and I'm sure you do, but that tone is just gay.
