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Re: Stinson Vents at Del James During Dublin Concert
I also think he needs to stop playing festivals. With all the negativity sorrounding the band at the moment, that's when you are most likely to get trouble. You will get people there that went to see the other bands and not GNR, they will be the first ones to boo and throw shit and won't care if GNR get up and leave. I know Dublin wasn't a festival, but just thinking ahead regarding trouble minimisation. Are there any festival dates still to come?
The Sydney V8's date could be an interesting one since if you were watching the race you get a ticket so you could get a high dickhead factor at that. Plus the V8's usually attract an "interesting" demographic by itself. PLUS there are races all day so people will be absolutely shit faced by the time the concert starts...
- monkeychow
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Re: Stinson Vents at Del James During Dublin Concert
I disagree about Tommy.
I respect that he does a great job, I respect that he's held up band morale in the tougher times, and I'll grant he has an identity out of GNR, so I in no way mean this as snub, but the idea that the band ends if he leaves if a bit much.
I remember someone once making the smart ass remark that this band is "Axl Rose and the guys who ain't slash" or something similar, and I think most of the general public feels that way.
Most of the general public who go to a show are going to see Axl and his merrymen, the identity of those merry men is pretty much irrelevant to 90% of the audience unless it's the original band.
The mindset in the news is, "GNR, whose only original member Axl Rose, blah blah blah". Occasionally tommy will get a shout out as a former member of the replacments, but it's a one liner in the media, that could easily be swapped with any resume of a replacement, like "bumbefoot, virtuoso guitarist recommened to Axl by Satrani".
The other thing is, while bass players are important musically, to the audience in most non-funk type bands they arn't. GNR was about Axl's voice and Slash's guitar. Then it became about Axl's voice and various bad ass guitar stufff - from bumble and bucket and so on. It's about guitar and voice to most people, there's not even a lot of bass solos where anyone would miss him or anything. And I don't mean that disrespectfully...I'm just saying....do most people care about bass? If GNR did a show with Axl, Slash, Izzy, Steven and a session guy on bass would the media not call it a reunion? It would be more GNR than the UYI tour was. Don't get me wrong, I think duff is key to the old GNR sound as much as anyone else, but I don't think most of the stadium thinks that.
As for more credibility than Duff, maybe to hardcores who've followed Axl since the inception of the new band, but to 99% of the world - think if Duff returned to GNR (which wont happen with these kinds of late starts Imo) - the same would apply - many people wouldn't care cos they only want Axl and Slash, and of those that do care about the bass - duff's status a founder, and as the guy on AFD, LIES and UYI would eclipse anyone else on the bass.
I dont mean that disrespectfully to Tommy, he does a fine job on CD, and he's been great live for years now, I'm just saying I think this board needs perspective, and that perspective to me is that the general public would not rank tommy over duff, and indeed, does not care much about bass players at all, it's all about Axl Rose these days.
Re: Stinson Vents at Del James During Dublin Concert
I'll tell you what boring and predictable...the posts in threads like these...
I don't know about all the other stuff...but jesus christ...being late? I never undrestood this arguement at all...
You treat these shows like it's a trip to the movies. If Axl said I'm going on at 11:30...would that make you any happier, because he's said as much by his actions. It has never bothered me...in fact it's always created a sense of excitement, and anticipation for me. U.S. fans are spoiled brats...and that's why we get jonas brothers and hillary duff...
yes...i realize that this concert was in dublin...but it appeared to me that they were ready to jump on gn'r's asses, regardles. I have read different articles about this now, some say it was less than an hour, some say an hour and a half delay.
In any case, I do not want another jonas brothers, kiss my ass, cuz i'm a fan bull shit...we've got millions already, including bono
- monkeychow
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Re: Stinson Vents at Del James During Dublin Concert
You treat these shows like it's a trip to the movies. If Axl said I'm going on at 11:30...would that make you any happier,
The way I deal with it is I just assume he will come on after midnight, so when the support band finishes at 9.30 I'm prepared psychologically that I'm going to be standing around till at least 12.00 and maybe after, that way if he comes on at 10.30 or 11.30 I'm actually sort of pleasently suprised.
I think the rest of your comments about USA fans are a bit extreme, but I will say that these delays are nothing new, and if i was the type of person who was badly frustrated by having to wait around for a few hours for an act, I'd recommend not going to the show - as Axl's always done it. So it's sort of like at this point you know what you'll get. If you accept it and want to have fun anyway, go, if you're going to get mad and throw shit, do us all a favour and stay home.
- monkeychow
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Re: Stinson Vents at Del James During Dublin Concert
he couldn't go back to Duff.... that would throw so much gas on the reunion fire.. it would end the new band.
Yeah agreed. Also, I don't think Duff would do it, he's happy where he is, and has VR in the background. I can see Duff gladly going back in the event of a full reunion, but I don't see him returning to a partial situation - especially not as these sort of problems were one of the factors that caused him to leave as I understand it.
I think if tommy leaves we'll just have a new guy come in that we don't yet know and things will carry on. There's not much else that can happen at this point.
Re: Stinson Vents at Del James During Dublin Concert
I'll tell you what boring and predictable...the posts in threads like these...
I don't know about all the other stuff...but jesus christ...being late? I never undrestood this arguement at all...
You treat these shows like it's a trip to the movies. If Axl said I'm going on at 11:30...would that make you any happier, because he's said as much by his actions. It has never bothered me...in fact it's always created a sense of excitement, and anticipation for me. U.S. fans are spoiled brats...and that's why we get jonas brothers and hillary duff...
yes...i realize that this concert was in dublin...but it appeared to me that they were ready to jump on gn'r's asses, regardles. I have read different articles about this now, some say it was less than an hour, some say an hour and a half delay.
In any case, I do not want another jonas brothers, kiss my ass, cuz i'm a fan bull shit...we've got millions already, including bono
I agree that the show seemed destined to be a disaster regardless of what did or didn't happen. And it all dates back to the events leading up to, during, and following Reading and Leeds. The band got horrible reviews. I didn't see a single positive thing written about them, even though the videos appear to show the band was in fine form. So the crowd (a small %) came into last night just waiting for the littlest thing to go wrong so they could lash out at Axl. Danko Jones playing for over an hour was the first warning sign, then the hour plus wait for GNR was certainly enough to tip the scales.
Those idiots in the crowd were completely in the wrong, regardless of what anyone might say. But this had been festering for awhile and was bound to happen sooner or later. It's going to be hard for them to get some positive buzz going again. Right now it seems damn near impossible.
I know some will laugh at me for this, but I felt bad for Axl last night watching that PC video where he's just standing there in one spot. He obviously didn't want to be there. I know he's brought a lot of this on himself with his actions over the years, trust me, I do. But that was embarrassing and sad to watch. I hope they can turn things around somehow, but it's not gonna be easy.
Re: Stinson Vents at Del James During Dublin Concert
I mentioned this earlier, but here's a transcription of what Tommy had to say about things being thrown on stage and late start times in that WMMR interview a few weeks back.
What changed for him/everyone? All of a sudden these late starts are a bigger deal. I'm not saying it's cool to go on late, but why all of a sudden? Is it because the band is getting slammed for it moreso than normal? I could understand if that's Tommy's line of thinking.
WMMR: Tommy, I gotta ask though. Over the years, and how many different shows you've played, there'd been times when I'm sure you've sensed an angry crowd and it's like "Oh my God, we gotta go out there and let it all hang out...."
Tommy: Two words: Piss bottles. When those babies start flying, I grab the mic and tell them to stop or I'm leaving. It's worked a couple of times. Luckily, I haven't gotten one in the head yet.
WMMR: Well listen, being in a band that Axl Rose fronts, I can imagine it's gotta be, like a wild card. You don't know what you're gonna get at any given time.
Tommy: That's the rock n' roll element of it though. I appreciate that from, obviously, from my days of The Replacements and things like that. I mean that band was no different really in a lot of ways. You just didn't know what we were gonna do, we didn't know what we were gonna do and we kinda went with it. Although it's a lot more fun when you're in your twenties... You know.
WMMR: I would imagine at some point you just have to accept his kind of... erratic nature...
You're at the gig, you're in gig mode, you're ready to play. And he's not there, and you're waiting and you're waiting and you're waiting. And you can either get really tense and upset and angry about it, or you can just sit back and go "well, the show doesn't go on until he gets here and I'll just wait and do it when that happens".
Tommy: Yeah the thing with that is though, you don't want him to go on until he's ready. Trust me. When he's ready to go on, chances are pretty good that it's gonna be a pretty good show. But if you made him go on before that, all bets are off. You don't wanna push that.
- FlashFlood
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Re: Stinson Vents at Del James During Dublin Concert
funny how awesome everything started off in japan...awesome set lists...axl gets twitter...
now...
