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Re: Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers
Captain Robert Salas was on duty in Montana in 1967 when a UFO shut down the nuclear missiles on his base. And he's hardly the only one to make such a claim.
On Monday, six former U.S. Air Force officers and one former enlisted man will break their silence about similar events at the National Press Club, all centering around unidentified flying objects and nuclear missiles. They plan to urge the government to publicly confirm the incidents, stating that they were ordered never to discuss the events.
"We're talking about unidentified flying objects, as simple as that," Salas told FoxNews.com. "They're often known as UFOs, you could call them that," he added. Salas, a former U.S. Air Force nuclear missile launch officer, will host the event along with researcher Robert Hastings, author of "UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites.
According to the pair, witness testimony from more than 120 former or retired military personnel points to an ongoing and alarming intervention by unidentified aerial objects at nuclear weapons sites, as recently as 2003. In some cases, several nuclear missiles simultaneously and inexplicably malfunctioned while a disc-shaped object silently hovered nearby.
"I was on duty when an object came over and hovered directly over the site," Salas said, regarding the March 16, 1967, event at Malmstrom AFB in Montana. "The missiles shut down, 10 Minuteman missiles. And the same thing happened at another site a week later," he said.
Are they evidence of unknown military action from a foreign country, or are these extraterrestrial visitors? Salas thinks the answer is clear -- and finds it curious that they're so interested in our nuclear arsenal.
"There's a strong interest [in our missiles] by these objects, wherever they come from. I personally think they're not from planet Earth."
Another participant, retired Col. Charles Halt, observed a disc-shaped object directing beams of light down into the RAF Bentwaters airbase in England and heard on the radio that they landed in the nuclear weapons storage area. Both men claim the Air Force warned them never to disclose details of the events.
"The U.S. Air Force is lying about the national security implications of unidentified aerial objects at nuclear bases and we can prove it," Salas said. Col. Halt adds, "I believe that the security services of both the United States
and the United Kingdom have attempted -- both then and now -- to subvert the significance of what occurred at RAF Bentwaters by the use of well-practiced methods of disinformation."
The group plans to distribute declassified U.S. government documents at the event that they claim will substantiate the reality of UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites extending back to 1948. The press conference will also address present-day concerns about the abuse of government secrecy as well as the ongoing threat of nuclear weapons.
"This is only the tip of the iceberg, these stories," Salas told FoxNews.com.
Re: Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers
Funny how they supposedly shut down nukes in their silos but are always absent during tests. Let me guess, they have SDI but it only works when missiles are asleep? How would an alien even know these were tests and not the real thing? Imagine an alien being witnessing the test of that Tsar Bomb in the 60s. They would have thought the end was coming, yet did nothing to prevent it.
These UFOs are more than likely secret US military craft. IF aliens are real, we're not alone in the Solar System and its time to either make contact or disclose whatever contact has been made.
Re: Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers
Well, who says they're not there during tests? And who says they don't know it's a test? If to believe, they can clearly shut them off, so obviously they would know everything there is to know about what's going on too. They fly in spacecrafts from other solar systems for crying out loud, what would Julio Ceasar say if he saw two F-22's blasting through the skies?
There's no aliens in the solar system. Maybe microbes in the clouds of Venus, some kind of fish in the waters of Europa or something else on those Jupiter/Saturn moons, but that's it.
I would be happy to lock this away as all hoaxes, but when US military officials steps forward, it is time to listen to what they have to say. The UK military files are also quite interesting, so is the French cometa (was it?) report a few years ago, written by all the top brass from France, and they're not dismissing it at all, but rather confirming it. Weirdly enough, it never attracted the medias attention. I guess it's because they are French:P
Re: Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers
Well, who says they're not there during tests? And who says they don't know it's a test? If to believe, they can clearly shut them off, so obviously they would know everything there is to know about what's going on too.
No it isn't obvious. For it to be obvious they would not only need to know several languages but also have spies in all the agencies like the CIA and be tapped into NORAD's computer systems. For some reason I find that hard to believe.
If they have the technology to disable a nuke while it hibernates in a silo and have done so already, why not disable them seconds before detonation? It's insane logic and a species that would use such logic most certainly isn't advanced enough to fly through my backyard, let alone across the galaxy. If you have SDI, you're not gonna show your cards by using it on sleeping nukes.
If any of this "aliens are disabling US nukes left and right" bullshit is true, we currently have suitcase nukes in every major city on the globe. Whether its the aliens or the Russians, we're not gonna allow our arsenal to be neutered to such a degree.
WWIII should be interesting. U.S. or Russia launch a few thousand nukes while the aliens disable the nukes of everyone else before they can launch.
They fly in spacecrafts from other solar systems for crying out loud, what would Julio Ceasar say if he saw two F-22's blasting through the skies?
There's no aliens in the solar system. Maybe microbes in the clouds of Venus, some kind of fish in the waters of Europa or something else on those Jupiter/Saturn moons, but that's it.
Interesting how you're so quick to toss aside the possibility of other advanced life in our own system that could travel here with ease while believing alien species are dancing into our system in aircraft barely larger than our own from star systems light years away. Not only that, but they come all that distance just to observe and disable the occasional nuke for shits and giggles.
I agree regarding microbes/fish in those areas(and going to Europa should be a huge priority) but we cannot discount the possibility of other advanced life existing in our system until the entire system has been explored more thoroughly.
Are the chances high? No, but higher than an alien race flying 20+ light years to disable a nuke and then be very quiet for 40 years.
Any race traveling that distance is probably gonna stumble upon us by accident, so playing hide n seek games wont be high on their "to do" list.
what would Julio Ceasar say if he saw two F-22's blasting through the skies?
He'd shit his pants and then throw a rock at them.
Re: Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers
They are aliens. They're advanced. They travel through space. They don't need to have spies or know languages. This is what WE need. In WW2 we needed planes to take pictures of installations on the ground. We don't need that anymore. We have other means of getting that info.
Who says they have to stop our tests? There might be laws in place. It's anybodys guess. If I'm to buy the story, a simple "why don't they stop tests" doesn't cut it, as the idea of them coming here is crazy enough to put that logic aside. Maybe they simply need gas for their crafts you know. 
I'm putting aside intelligent life in our own solar system because there isn't any! In order to have intelligent life develop, you need a planet at the right place, at the right time, developing the right way. There simply aren't any. We're it in this solar system, as our planet happens to be in that zone. The rest, are not. To believe aliens live in our solar system, you need to go at least 70 years back in time to find anyone interested in the subject, when people still wondered what was up with Mars. It's not me who is quick, it's science who simply says it. And yes, we can rule it out, simply because the factors says it won't work. Just take a look at them:
Mercury: Hot like hell
Venus: CO2 hell
Mars: Dry desert hell
Jupiter: Gas giant
Saturn: Gas giant
Uranus: Gas giant
Neptune: Gas giant
Saturn and Venus moons: All checked quite well by our own spacecraft, while rising questions (like Europa), there is enough material to rule out any intelligent life.
So, yeah, I'm ruling that out and leaving the other options open.
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Re: Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers
Imagine an alien being witnessing the test of that Tsar Bomb in the 60s. They would have thought the end was coming, yet did nothing to prevent it.
These UFOs are more than likely secret US military craft. IF aliens are real, we're not alone in the Solar System and its time to either make contact or disclose whatever contact has been made.
The guy was talking about 1967 wasn't he? Maybe the Tsar thing in 61 upset the aliens and so they decided to start messing with nukes. Although they didn't stop the french tests in the 1990s or whenever that was I guess.
I think if aliens exist they'd be from much further away than our solar system but have some freaky tech that makes such things doable. Although I agree that it's odd that they'd not just land at the olympics or something and start a formal chat....
Re: Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers
You're open minded about them being so advanced they don't need any communication skills whatsoever to be able to intercept military intelligence yet think they cant live on a planet unless it resembles earth. To use your words, Earth "is what WE need." That might not be what the aliens need. Just because we cant live on a different planet/moon doesn't mean something else cant. Since you speak in absolutes on the subject and know what can and cannot occur, can you tell us how you know there is a planet just like this one orbiting a similar star at the same distance that just so happened to spark life within a million light years of us? Then when you found that one, how did its alien race just so happen to coast through our area of space?
I can imagine them addressing the president or the Joint Chiefs of Staff...
"You see those tube thingies that go boom? Don't dare use them! Even though we let you test them for decades on end and your race kills countless millions using conventional weapons, don't dare kill people with those even though you've done so twice in the past!"
Even Obama would laugh in their face.
Who says they have to stop our tests? There might be laws in place.
I always forget how they had some treaty with Hitler and when his pooch got screwed they signed a defensive pact with Truman.
For a race with such high tech they sure like flip flopping and hitching their wagon to the bullies with inferior tech.
In WW2 we needed planes to take pictures of installations on the ground. We don't need that anymore. We have other means of getting that info.
Yet in 2010 we're still developing spy planes to do exactly that.
I'm putting aside intelligent life in our own solar system because there isn't any!
Yet people wonder why the space programs have been gutted. Look no further than that sentence to know why. No point in spending money to reach for the stars when people yell there aren't any to reach for.
Funny that you rule out intelligent life in the solar system even though we haven't mapped the entire region yet and may be hundreds of years(or more) from doing so yet believe 10000000000% that an alien civilization light years away stumbled upon our microscopic needle in an infinite haystack and instead of doing something substantial once arriving, play peek a boo with man made objects for 40+ years.
The guy was talking about 1967 wasn't he? Maybe the Tsar thing in 61 upset the aliens and so they decided to start messing with nukes.
Are you a former writer of the Weekly World News? 
If the Tsar test upset them, I hope no one shows them any history books discussing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They'll go ape shit.
I think if aliens exist they'd be from much further away than our solar system but have some freaky tech that makes such things doable.
That's putting it lightly. If an advanced civilization lived 1000 light years away from us(a hop, skip, and a jump in astronomical terms), even if they could go the speed of light, it would take them 1000 years to get here, and that's assuming they don't get lost on the way.
Although I agree that it's odd that they'd not just land at the olympics or something and start a formal chat....
While playing peek a boo with warheads for decades is absurd, even that scenario is nearing the same territory, especially if they come from a different system. We'd more than likely be dealing with probes or robots as traveling such vast distances isn't going to be peaches and cream health wise. We've already discovered this to be the case here, and since apparently intelligent life only comes from identical planets, we can assume the same for them as well. Zero gravity environment takes its toll on the human body(and other animals sent to space as well) just at the stage we are at, so can you imagine traveling several quadrillion quintillion miles? Even if you could miraculously survive the journey, your skeleton would be mush by the time you arrived.
People who believe we're being visited by every ET and Chewbacca always forget the vast distances. Its not just the distance itself, its the fact we're not even observable to 99.99% of the universe. If the aliens are here, its either from our own system or one of the stars in the Centauri system. Anything else is a pipe dream. If they're warp driving, time traveling, limousine riding, jet flying, kiss stealing, wheeling dealing son of a guns, they're wasting valuable time here and should consider leaving ASAP.
If they/we are lucky, they were just waiting for Chinese Democracy and have already left.
Re: Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers
You're open minded about them being so advanced they don't need any communication skills whatsoever to be able to intercept military intelligence yet think they cant live on a planet unless it resembles earth. To use your words, Earth "is what WE need." That might not be what the aliens need. Just because we cant live on a different planet/moon doesn't mean something else cant. Since you speak in absolutes on the subject and know what can and cannot occur, can you tell us how you know there is a planet just like this one orbiting a similar star at the same distance that just so happened to spark life within a million light years of us? Then when you found that one, how did its alien race just so happen to coast through our area of space?
Listen, you simply can't live on a gas giant. There is no surface on them except for a very very very very dense core. You might find microbes in the layers of clouds on Jupiter, but no one in their right mind would think that intelligent life could develop in such place. The other moons have been mapped and there are nothing there to indicate anything. There was always a question about Titan as it has a very dense atmosphere, but I repeat again, it's not in the right place. It's not in the Goldlick zone, and that's it. Earth is.
I can imagine them addressing the president or the Joint Chiefs of Staff...
"You see those tube thingies that go boom? Don't dare use them! Even though we let you test them for decades on end and your race kills countless millions using conventional weapons, don't dare kill people with those even though you've done so twice in the past!"
Even Obama would laugh in their face.
When you walk down the street and see an alley cat. Do you try and communicate with it by introducing yourself with your name and then progress into trying to teach it mathematics? Even worse, we can be like ants to them for all we know. Have you tried to make contact with ants lately?
I always forget how they had some treaty with Hitler and when his pooch got screwed they signed a defensive pact with Truman.
For a race with such high tech they sure like flip flopping and hitching their wagon to the bullies with inferior tech.
Hitler? That's just general bullshit flying around. No one takes stuff like that seriously.
For instance, the Hessdalen phenomenon in Norway has been researched properly by Norwegian and Italian scientists. The lights up there still baffle them, but they are slowly trying to find a natural answer to it.
Yet in 2010 we're still developing spy planes to do exactly that.
And what are these planes called? I know plenty about aviation, so hit me with it and I'll read into it. And don't pull the "Projecr Aurora" card.
No point in spending money to reach for the stars when people yell there aren't any to reach for.
In the long run, space is the only place we CAN go if we are to survive. It's space or die. From strato Spitfires in WW2 to U2 to SR-71's in the 70's....and...?
Funny that you rule out intelligent life in the solar system even though we haven't mapped the entire region yet and may be hundreds of years(or more) from doing so yet believe 10000000000% that an alien civilization light years away stumbled upon our microscopic needle in an infinite haystack and instead of doing something substantial once arriving, play peek a boo with man made objects for 40+ years.
Because we have mapped enough, know enough and can safely conclude there are NO intelligent life in the solar system besides ours. Like I said, you have to go back at least 70 years to get any one to be serious with you on that subject.
And, it's not just 40 plus years. It's more. It simply seemed to drastically increase in sightings shortly after WW2, but don't get me wrong, the reports were there in WW2.
I have no answers to your haystack issues, and your guess is as good as mine. All I'm saying there are indications, and quite strong ones too, that something is going on. These indications are a lot, lot, lot more solid than religion and God. Yet people seem to stick to that and close their eyes to something which can be quite real and make fun of it. It is one of the big mysteries in the world for me, as people flock to religion but laugh about aliens. In my mind, I am confident about what is more based on reality, and what is not.
That's putting it lightly. If an advanced civilization lived 1000 light years away from us(a hop, skip, and a jump in astronomical terms), even if they could go the speed of light, it would take them 1000 years to get here, and that's assuming they don't get lost on the way.
Yes, that's again putting it from our perspective. The Vikings barely managed to make it to Newfoundland with Leif Ericson. If I pulled one of them into 2010 and told them we could fly to USA in a few hours time, he would laugh it off as impossible. If I told him we flew to the moon he would most likely laugh hysterically at my nonsense.
We'd more than likely be dealing with probes or robots as traveling such vast distances isn't going to be peaches and cream health wise. We've already discovered this to be the case here, and since apparently intelligent life only comes from identical planets, we can assume the same for them as well. Zero gravity environment takes its toll on the human body(and other animals sent to space as well) just at the stage we are at, so can you imagine traveling several quadrillion quintillion miles? Even if you could miraculously survive the journey, your skeleton would be mush by the time you arrived.
Probes are a good bet, and I'd say it's a big possibility if we are to believe the stories. For life to develop you need a few basic common deals, but they might evolve very differently. We just don't know. Zero gravity takes it's toll, but maybe there are a way around that problem? Maybe there are a way around the distance involved as well? We have no technology to handle the distances now, but it doesn't mean an alien race have not found a way around the issue. When our species managed to go from primitive ships to the moon in less than 1000 years, I'd say give us 3000 years and we see what we can do. Your distance argument is good, but you neglect the time we have to evolve. Remember, only 100 years ago, we didn't even have planes. That's progress in amazingly little time in an universal scale of things. When we can go from no flight to SR-71 Blackbirds in less than a 100 years, I would be a fool to think there are limits.
Re: Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers
Listen, you simply can't live on a gas giant.
I know we cant live on a gas giant. I'm not a fucking idiot. The solar system doesn't only consist of Earth and gas giants. There are many moons(and no they have not all been mapped), asteroids big enough to be colonized, undiscovered planets, billions of miles of space we haven't explored yet, and that's not even taking the outer reaches of the Solar System into consideration. Those baby probes from the 70s still haven't even left our system yet. Those cant find anything but that shows the size of what we're dealing with here. Forgive me for not declaring it dead yet. You might as well pour a glass of water, stand by the ocean, then declare there's no fish since a shark isn't swimming in your glass.
It's not in the Goldlick zone, and that's it. Earth is.
The universe is approximately 13 billion light years across and I highly doubt all life must show up in that zone. You're assuming all life is like it is here, which is funny since you give these aliens such insane abilities.
If life has to show up in this narrow Goldilocks zone defined by humans, we're alone and life is meaningless. Each star rolls its own dice. You're not gonna find an exact Sun-Earth replica.
When you walk down the street and see an alley cat. Do you try and communicate with it by introducing yourself with your name and then progress into trying to teach it mathematics? Even worse, we can be like ants to them for all we know. Have you tried to make contact with ants lately?
If an ant or one of my cats landed an aircraft in my backyard or launched a nuclear weapon, yes I would try to communicate with it.
No we're not like ants to them. That is absurd. ANY alien species can see long before they actually land that an intelligent and technologically advanced civilization thrives here. Comparing us to alley cats is laughable.
Hitler? That's just general bullshit flying around. No one takes stuff like that seriously.
There was a bit of humor in that last post that apparently went over your head. I most certainly don't think Hitler had a treaty with the inhabitants of planet Zulgar.
And what are these planes called? I know plenty about aviation, so hit me with it and I'll read into it.
Boeing Solar Eagle
MC-12
And don't pull the "Projecr Aurora" card.
Yeah I'm gonna pull a 20+ year old card. I'd bring back the SR-71 before sinking more money into that phantom boondoggle.
In the long run, space is the only place we CAN go if we are to survive. It's space or die. From strato Spitfires in WW2 to U2 to SR-71's in the 70's....and...?
For someone who thinks space is the only place to go you sure place a lot of limitations on it. You think billions of miles that surrounds us is virtually dead. With that line of thinking you don't even need to venture an inch out there.
Because we have mapped enough, know enough and can safely conclude there are NO intelligent life in the solar system besides ours.
We cant "safely conclude" that because it hasn't been fully explored yet. The two of us wont even be alive by the time it is fully explored.
Is it likely that aliens are dancing all over our system? No, but it certainly cant be ruled out and it wont be ruled out until much more exploration is done. You're like that woman on Poltergeist saying, "this house is clear", then five seconds later a bunch of ghosts start raining a shit storm on your parade.
Clear my ass.
All I'm saying there are indications, and quite strong ones too, that something is going on. These indications are a lot, lot, lot more solid than religion and God. Yet people seem to stick to that and close their eyes to something which can be quite real and make fun of it. It is one of the big mysteries in the world for me, as people flock to religion but laugh about aliens. In my mind, I am confident about what is more based on reality, and what is not.
I don't think aliens are a laughing matter at all. Finding them is going to be the biggest discovery yet and will forever impact our way of life and how we view life. I don't think it would even have to be advanced life to have that impact.
If discovering them is attainable, its going to be in our system. We're only gonna find it if it's close.....REAL close, and its funny that someone so interested in the subject is dead set against going through the Solar System with a fine tooth comb simply because they consider it case closed. In other words, you're never going to find them.
Probes are a good bet, and I'd say it's a big possibility if we are to believe the stories. For life to develop you need a few basic common deals, but they might evolve very differently. We just don't know. Zero gravity takes it's toll, but maybe there are a way around that problem? Maybe there are a way around the distance involved as well? We have no technology to handle the distances now, but it doesn't mean an alien race have not found a way around the issue. When our species managed to go from primitive ships to the moon in less than 1000 years, I'd say give us 3000 years and we see what we can do. Your distance argument is good, but you neglect the time we have to evolve. Remember, only 100 years ago, we didn't even have planes. That's progress in amazingly little time in an universal scale of things. When we can go from no flight to SR-71 Blackbirds in less than a 100 years, I would be a fool to think there are limits.
You do think there are limits. 
You've cleared the house when you simply walked in the front door and took a picture without exploring each room. If you'll do that in the space of less than a light year, you might as well go to the outer boundary of the universe and declare it clear as well.
People with that mindset in the scientific field are actually a serious threat. Send a manned mission to Ceres, declare it "clear", they come home and flood the entire planet with some unknown contagion just because you thought it was sterile.
Much better to explore our area with an open mind. Not just from the scientific standpoint, but for the safety/survival of life here on Earth.
As far as Venus being "CO2 hell", that planet deserves a very close look. It never should have been written off in the first place just because those probes couldn't take the heat. Oh yeah, its not Goldilocks. Fuck Goldilocks. We're looking for one of the three bears. 
Re: Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers
Listen, you simply can't live on a gas giant.
The universe is approximately 13 billion light years across and I highly doubt all life must show up in that zone. You're assuming all life is like it is here, which is funny since you give these aliens such insane abilities.
You need a certain temperature for complex life to develop. There are life in the deep of our ocean, but it's not like they produce computer parts. Im not assuming all life is like here, Im assuming that it has to be in a "not too cold, not too hot" enviroment to develop something else than microbes and bacteria.
If life has to show up in this narrow Goldilocks zone defined by humans, we're alone and life is meaningless. Each star rolls its own dice. You're not gonna find an exact Sun-Earth replica.
Find it, maybe not. Do they exist, yes. There are so many suns and so many planets around, there's bound to be some. They've already gotten pretty close with some of their planet discoveries, called "super earths".
If an ant or one of my cats landed an aircraft in my backyard or launched a nuclear weapon, yes I would try to communicate with it.
History has taught us that mixing in with other ways of life and culture, have caused havoc to their societies, eventually leading to their demise. This was quite evident during the days of discoveries of continents.
Boeing Solar Eagle
MC-12
That? You can't be serious? What's the range on that last one there?
For someone who thinks space is the only place to go you sure place a lot of limitations on it. You think billions of miles that surrounds us is virtually dead. With that line of thinking you don't even need to venture an inch out there.
Our solar system has us, and possible microbes and bacteria on other planets and moons. That's it. I can't even believe I'm discussing this with someone who think there might be aliens on moons on Jupiter or Saturn.
Is it likely that aliens are dancing all over our system? No, but it certainly cant be ruled out and it wont be ruled out until much more exploration is done. You're like that woman on Poltergeist saying, "this house is clear", then five seconds later a bunch of ghosts start raining a shit storm on your parade.
Clear my ass.
You think, or suspect aliens in space crafts are coming from our solar system, so you naturally also think they have had thousands and thousands of years of head start on us in development on one of these moons. It's worse than bringing out the possibility of star travel to me.
I don't think it would even have to be advanced life to have that impact.
For most people, no.
and its funny that someone so interested in the subject is dead set against going through the Solar System with a fine tooth comb simply because they consider it case closed. In other words, you're never going to find them.
I'm not finding it dead closed, I'm just ruling it out. See above.
People with that mindset in the scientific field are actually a serious threat. Send a manned mission to Ceres, declare it "clear", they come home and flood the entire planet with some unknown contagion just because you thought it was sterile.
There are rules in place for that stuff you know.
As far as Venus being "CO2 hell", that planet deserves a very close look. It never should have been written off in the first place just because those probes couldn't take the heat. Oh yeah, its not Goldilocks. Fuck Goldilocks.
They have mapped it quite well, and it's a fucking hell hole. There are no intelligent life on Venus. Possibly in the upper layer clouds.
