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Re: Rolling Stone The 11 Greatest Rock Feuds Of All Time
Rubbish dude.
It amazes me how people want to pin Axl's media rep on slash when it dates from back into the day when they were still buddies. I'd place the following things above anthing slash has ever said:
* St Louis Riot
* Every Late Start
* Every on stage rant that adds to his angry man image
* Telling key media figures to "suck his fucking dick"
* knocking out photographers at the airport
* Going recluse for the better part of 10 yearsFor the record I think Axl is fucking kickass and I love the band, and I personally have no issue with any of the above things, i'm just saying if Axl's camp is upset about his image, what did they do to fix it? Instead fans call out Slash - who at worst instance pretty much just gave up appoligising for GNR cancels and late starts - i think it would make more sense to look closer to home.
Slash has also made a bunch of favourable comments about Axl's talent, and about how Chinese Democracy is a good album. But everyone forgets that.
This ^. And don't forget to add the Vancouver, Philly and Montreal riots all of which can be pinpointed to Axl's behavior. Axlin you give WAY TOO MUCH credit to Slash for destroying Axl's public relations. The man did 99% of it on his own. In fact all Slash ever really said was that he couldn't work with Axl anymore. Basically he said Axl was difficult and he couldn't deal with it anymore. Oh wow big deal. Axl made his own bed, nobody else did. I always found it funny that Axl labelled Slash the cancer yet every original member minus Steven, systematically left because Axl was a dream to work with? Robin and Buckethead must've felt the same way I guess but that's pure speculation.
Re: Rolling Stone The 11 Greatest Rock Feuds Of All Time
yea, axl certainly behaves erratically enough without needing anyone else to make him look silly & unreliable.
but for a long time slash was happy to play up that negative side of axl. it's only in the past few years, where perhaps he's maybe sobered up & accepted he can't get back what GnR was, that slash has been more positive.
altho this positive period also coincides with axl breaking his silence so perhaps that reaction from slash is just more PR spin.. which i think it probably is.
but yea slash has talked a lot of shit, but even if he hadda been bending over backwards 4 axl in the press axl had already damaged his own profile all on his lonesome.
there's a lot of axl's actions that were (are??) indefensible, so you can't really blame slash for calling an asshole an asshole sometimes?
Re: Rolling Stone The 11 Greatest Rock Feuds Of All Time
That statement about GN'R is a primary example of what pisses off, and continues to piss Axl off about the media.
Slash talks shit for 10+ years, and the Axl cancer statement is what is used for GN'R.
Agreed, but I don't recall such an harsh statement from Slash. Do you got any of them reaching up to that level in rudeness? I'm not saying they don't exist, I just find Axl's cancer comment the most distasteful comment he's ever made. All things considered, Axl's kept quiet for so many years, so while Slash keeps releasing bombs at him for over 10 years, Axl comes in and blasts it with an atomic bomb.
It's kindergarten stuff and Axl should know better.
Re: Rolling Stone The 11 Greatest Rock Feuds Of All Time
I said in a post above that Slash never made a "deep cut" on Axl as bad as that cancer comment. But one baddie from Axl, versus 10+ years of collective shit Slash talked doesn't equate to Axl being worse. Only in the last few years has Slash reversed and started talking better about Axl, probably because he's anxious for that reunion check.
Maybe it's bias on my part, as Slash's inconsistency in past has caused me to TEND to take Axl's side. But recently Axl's in-general, too broad, shady and mean statements, without elaboration, have caused me to reconsider that stance.
Robin and Buckethead must've felt the same way I guess but that's pure speculation.
They left because of Axl's laziness and inactivity. They don't need to work, they WANT to work. They probably got tired of being contract players for Axl, and not the independent musicians they are.
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Re: Rolling Stone The 11 Greatest Rock Feuds Of All Time
Axlin08 wrote:I agree with faldor. Slash never made a "deep cut" on Axl, but he's skewed public perception of Axl since 1996, and frankly destroyed the man's public relations department for the rest of his career, like he's Hitler reborn.
Rubbish dude.
It amazes me how people want to pin Axl's media rep on slash when it dates from back into the day when they were still buddies. I'd place the following things above anthing slash has ever said:
* St Louis Riot
* Every Late Start
* Every on stage rant that adds to his angry man image
* Telling key media figures to "suck his fucking dick"
* knocking out photographers at the airport
* Going recluse for the better part of 10 years
You are absolutely right. A little time travel:
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Re: Rolling Stone The 11 Greatest Rock Feuds Of All Time
Axl said he considered Slash a Cancer, take that as a metaphor. Having to deal with the media and fans constant things about Slash way over decade later after they decided they wanted nothing to do with each other.
Regardless of what you guys think, I think the scrunity over it's blown a bit out of porportion. He didn't say Slash is Cancer and I'd doubt he was really thinking at the time him and Del James were it writting up given how much of a total car crash that "interview" was after it was published.
As for Slash, go read almost interview with the guy past 1996. He says Axl is a great frontman, then goes on to imply and paint a public perception for many a yr. that Slash is a victim and Axl stole his livelyhood and ruined everything in "Gn'R".
He's also more importantly than that, implied and painted to a generation of kids born in the 90s or just after "Gn'R" were big that he wrote all song, Slash. Done all the guitar solos, wrote all the songs and that Slash is Gn'R more than Axl or anything else. Slash is the one on TV, showing up all media award shows and doing all the interviews in music magazines he's the one that gets the attention.
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Re: Rolling Stone The 11 Greatest Rock Feuds Of All Time
Slash has never said anything close to implying he was Guns N' Roses. Axl is the one who cannot accept that Salsh is just as much Guns N' Roses for the world, as he is. Axl is the one who acted and acts like he'd be Guns N' Roses.
Slash named Axl as the one who ruined the band though, but ALL te other guys did the same. Maybe there is some truth in it.
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Re: Rolling Stone The 11 Greatest Rock Feuds Of All Time
Slash paints axl a certain way in *response* to Axl's EXISTING media image.
Slash is no saint either, but he's only painting a picture that's already out there.
Axl has a reputation for going on late, causing riots, being angry and pissing people off. Maybe it's justified, maybe it's not. But it's EVENTS that cause it, not words. It's things like Reeding festival this year or punching out that photographer at the start of the tour.
In 1991 if Slash was asked about a late start he would have bullshited some crap to justify it. Now when he's out of the band, he doesn't bother to. Blame slash if you want, but at the end of the day he's just answering questions about a situation created by someone who started late. He doesn't make that perception, he just doesn't defend it like he would have once. And why should he?
The only thing slash is perhaps guilty of in this regard is the story about how he lost his name rights. If that's not true then I can see why Axl is annoyed on that front.
Then again...Slash and Izzy helped make that band, as did Axl and the others. Izzy found himself asked to be an employee in something he founded, while slash found his guitar parts reworked by someone with a lot less ability than himself.
Bottom line is, I can see why they might not have felt respected in the band, I mean you don't leave a band like GNR for the hell of it? Why in god's name would duff, izzy and slash walk out? Only once they felt they had no choice left.
Surely it should be up to Axl to justify why the new band is called GNR with 1/5 of the traditonal line up. And surely it should be up to the current GNR to justify late starts. Don't expect slash to praise these things!
Instead they remained silent for years, and Slash was left to appoligsie for a band he'd been driven out of? What the fuck do you think he'd say. They're lucky he's as nice about it as he has been.
I don't mean this post disrespectfully to Axl and the new band, I love what they do and I'm a huge fan of Chinese Democracy, but this idea that any negativity toward GNR by the public is the fault of Slash is just wrong.
To be fair to Axl, his cancer comment may have been more broadly intended. Like these days, the fan desire for slash will always erode anything he does and make it hard for the band to move on, and maybe that's all he ment.
I'm just saying, let's call a spade a spade, and slash hasn't said anything to the media they didn't already know. It's not a secret Axl is moody or comes on late. Ask his ex wives, ask the people he's fought with, as the peope he's fired, ask the people he's sued, and ask the fans who waited for him past midnight.
Those are the reasons slash was ASKED about these topics, not cos Slash is pushing some agenda of his own. So of course they're going to report Axl's cancer comment not anything slash says - Axl's commnet is the bit that's news to the public, Slash's complaining about Axl's LONG TERM behaviours isn't.
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I can't believe people still give Axl the pass.
The man is a raging diva who cares very little for anything outside his own tiny sphere of concerns. The almost tragic parade of skilled musicians who have quit his company both professionally and personally over the past two decades should tell you that his business persona is very hard to cope with.
As for the lawsuits from both of the women he lived with...that should tell you that the guy is capable of being a pretty nasty individual at home too.
While I think there is a lost and abused child in there somewhere, I can no longer accept that things that happened to him amost 50 years ago should give him a pass to abuse those closest to him.
Lates starts, broken bands, battered spouses....only one man's name from GNR comes up again and again...
- monkeychow
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Well I don't think Axl should be painted as the devil either. He's a great musican and has done amazing things, I'm just saying I don't think it's really fair to start blaming slash for Axl's reputation in the media, as I think it pre-dates anything slash ever said.
