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Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
I have no clue why you guys think another album will happen before a reunion (at this point).
Universal has HAD to of heard some of the vault, or at least a second potential album at this point in all these years, and obviously they're not in a hurry to put it out.
Universal seems to have no interest in it.
Axl seems to have no interest in it.
It's just not happening.
A reunion on other hand, despite Axl & Slash's lack of communication... frankly their communication ISN'T NEEDED. I highly doubt that Dave & Eddie sat down and bullshit with each other before they went on a hits tour.
Axl will do a reunion, and has considered it in the past, if the money's right and he's not pursuing future material (which is where he's at right now).
Chinese Democracy was a FORCED album. It's obvious at this point Axl never intended it for release.
Axl's on good terms with everyone except the main one. If he can patch things up with everyone from the old roster, I don't see why the other one is that hard, considering communication for a hits tour is not required.
Just about everyone in the business, GN'R business, past members, labels, promoters, industry people, and fans (actual ones, not the geeks) are fully behind a reunion, unlike a new album.
Now do I think ANY of this will happen? Absolutely not, or at least not in the near or distant future. However... I do think a reunion is more likely for the reasons stated above, than a new album at this point IF one or the other were to happen.
If this were any other band, I'd agree with you. But this is Guns N' Roses and Axl Rose we're talking about. No, Axl and Slash don't NEED to kiss and make up and become best friends again. They could easily just smile for the camera, take the enormous amounts of money, and go home happy without solving any of their personal issues. But again, this is Axl Rose we're talking about. I just think he holds so much resentment towards Slash, that he wouldn't allow himself to do that for any amount of money. He was able to forgive the other guys far more easily because the general public could care less about those guys for the most part. Everyone complaining that this isn't GNR could care less that Duff, Steven, Izzy, Matt, Gilby, Paul, Ole, etc. aren't there. It's all about 
and Axl knows that all too well. At the same time, he doesn't accept or understand it. Thus, the resentment and unwillingness to let bygones be bygones.
At least, that's what it looks like to me.
The ONLY thing that would sway me towards a reunion is the possible RRHOF induction next year, but I could honestly see that being as much of a clusterfuck as the Van Halen debacle years back.
And while I don't think it'll be easy to get another album out, I do think we will hear new music in some form, some way, sometime.
Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
The money problem now is that Axl needed to pay Caram Costanzo for the mixes (of the next album), apparantly. If that's the case then he could have already paid him... Or not
We don't know that......COMPLETE RUMOR.
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Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
Late 2011 & into 2012: Axl tours the Americas with this line up and CD.
Earliest I can see for the next album is Christmas 2012. Personally, I think it will go the way of Libertad (no buzz around Axl & the band so the album stiffs).
Ditto for Slash & Myles.
2012 - RNRHOF intro will just see Axl not show while the old guys will. No biggie there.
2013
Right about that time, Axl, Duff, Matt & Slash will all be spinning their creative and career wheels as they reach the Autumn of their careers.
It is only here I can see any possibility that all concerned will be desperate enough to at least 'do an Aerosmith' on it and run the band as a business while barely interacting outside of the 'work' environment.
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Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
You know, who's saying there IS a hold up to begin with?
I think you are onto something there.
Going back to when CD was released it seemed it look at least a year from the end of the previous tour for the album to actually come out.
We know the band was considering a usa tour at one stage and that it fell appart.
We know that there was this azoff law suit on the horrizon.
That's already two business things to sort out.
Then if it's the case that terms need to be worked out for GNR's next record it's more than likely it was just shelved as something to be sorted out once the other issues were resolved.
It even makes sense if you think about it. If the label knows you have an issue with touring in the usa, then they arn't going to be as keen to support your release as if you don't. So why would one attempt to release a record before sorting out that shit.
I'm not saying I expect a record to magically drop now - but it seems Axl's quite methodical about stuff to me - just that the time lines are usually far broader than the fanbase anticipates or hopes for - even going back to the CD saga - stuff does move forward - just over years on end.
Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
So maybe, just maybe, according to Axl, things are right on schedule! Or hey! Maybe even ahead of schedule!!!
y'know that thought actually crossed my mind after i posted my last msg.
wouldn't it be sweet if we're sitting here 3 or 4 years time - we've had one or two albums & a world tour by that stage saying, "fuck axl was RIGHT all along"
maybe he is ready to release the stockpile in the vault. maybe that was the plan all along, to get ahead of themselves with the recording & stockpiling of material.
BUT, i don't believe that at all. i don't believe there was or is a plan.
& i don't believe it because i've never seen evidence of a coherent plan, or a plan that has worked the way axl or his management intended it to.
& this stage, Axl is out of time. he's old & irrelevant. he is. even if Uni gave GnR the budget for videos it'd be embarrassing seeing 50year old men prancing around like a young, vital rock band. too much time has been wasted. the moment has passed & all we can hope for now is the chance we'll get some new songs sometime someway..
Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
misterID wrote:The money problem now is that Axl needed to pay Caram Costanzo for the mixes (of the next album), apparantly. If that's the case then he could have already paid him... Or not
We don't know that......COMPLETE RUMOR.
Yeah, I didn't say it was fact. But the source was pretty believable, imo.
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Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
Personally, I think it will go the way of Libertad (no buzz around Axl & the band so the album stiffs).
Maybe. DJ is doing a great job of generating buzz for Sixx:Am I think though. So he'd be on board. Also - if - and I grant it's an if - if axl did promotion this time - then for the press it's kinda a 'new' story again - in that it's not like the public already had the "axl comes out of hiding" interviews.
Or even if Axl goes "man about town" again like he did around the era of the 2006 tour - when he was often out in nightclubs and around. He does still get reasonable press.
So lets say he goes high profile for a bit, maybe gives a couple of interviews - not an unrealistic amount but just something that makes a splash a little like that trunk aperance - then if the songs are classic GNR like enough to connect to the mainstream fans (which will depend...DJ brings the classic rock style but then we also know the later CD works are alleged to be more industrial/further from traditional GNR sounds than CD was) - and then you have DJ and Bumble pimping it and doing guitar world apperances and whatever.
I could see it succeeding. Of course none of those things may happen too. But I think Axl writes good songs still - and CD had like the worst possible backing in terms of promotion from the band and the label or anyone really. With asbha the band seems more complete than it did then too with robin in limbo. If the album came out and was given a little push by all parties I can see it doing ok.
Ditto for Slash & Myles.
Seems everyone keeps saying that on this board.
I guess this album wont have the novelty value or the cross-over appeal of having all the different singers and thus the interests of all their fanbases....
But then I think since slash left GNR people have been wanting him to write GNR style tracks. And while Myles is not Axl, he does have some serious vocal chops. I think the slash myles album has potential to be slash's best work in years...if he brings his A game riffs to the table.
Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
madagas wrote:misterID wrote:The money problem now is that Axl needed to pay Caram Costanzo for the mixes (of the next album), apparantly. If that's the case then he could have already paid him... Or not
We don't know that......COMPLETE RUMOR.
Yeah, I didn't say it was fact. But the source was pretty believable, imo.
where did that come from anyway? can comeone post it? or at least a link to it? thx
Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
i thought eric cadieux produced the final mixes/masters for CD & the costanzo pay-thing was regarding RE-mixes??
i would be shocked if an albums worth of tracks have received their final mastering & are ready for release
tho saying that, axl did tweet from NYC last year he was heading in to 'take care of bizness' & i thought it was maybe a similar set-up to where he went to new york to produce the final mixes for the official CD release...
Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
misterID wrote:madagas wrote:We don't know that......COMPLETE RUMOR.
Yeah, I didn't say it was fact. But the source was pretty believable, imo.
where did that come from anyway? can comeone post it? or at least a link to it? thx
MSL??????
